You Are The Healer

Your power to heal has never left you—and today we prove it. We pull back the curtain on the “guru effect,” demystify what practitioners actually do, and show how real change flows when you grant permission, feel safe, and learn to tune your own frequency. Rather than treating healing like a wand to rent, we break down a cleaner model: you’re the engine; a great guide simply clears static, points to the right dial, and helps you practice until the signal holds.
 This episode explores self-healing power, belief reprogramming, and how energy healing actually works by changing the subconscious beliefs that shape your personal frequency and transformation. 

We dig into belief work with practical language—how a sticky result is kept alive by a story, how to trace that story to its root, and how to rewrite definitions so your choices align with a calmer baseline. You’ll hear why sessions feel so vivid in the room, why safety unlocks data from your system, and why results land when you consciously say yes. We connect dots across fields—doctors, therapists, life coaches, and energy workers all facilitate; your body and field integrate when the context resonates.

We also examine the business side: anchoring bias, subtle sales narratives, and why attachment to a practitioner can be a marketing artifact rather than a spiritual need. For practitioners, there’s a candid invitation to drop lack, stop over-owning client outcomes, and build honest relationships that grow stronger businesses. For clients, there’s a repeatable path: clear the clutter, locate your frequency, practice returning to it, and let your habits reflect the new signal.

If you’re ready to trade dependency for authorship, this conversation hands you the keys—and the map. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs the reminder, and leave a review with the belief you’re most ready to update.

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Transcript

Opening Banter & Energy Reset

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the Spiritual Grind. Good morning. How are you all today?

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Uh, we're great.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Jenny thinks I'm ground grouchy because we were having some soundboard issues, and then I finally get it to work and she talks right in the middle of it working. And I was like, anyway, is what it is. So we had a great session yesterday. No comment. Yeah, that's probably good. Because the sign was on. Sign was on.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Here's your sign.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

So uh had a great session yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

Welcome everybody. Let's change the energy.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

We had a great session yesterday. I think it went well.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. With our Jin Dan.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

It went uh quite nicely.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Here comes the producer in now.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Yep. She's gonna refer and all evaluating the situation every day. Every day, air day.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

So Dr. Jenny brought up a topic today that uh that I did.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

I came with my very own topic. In my Mary Poppins bag.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

And this topic has come up a couple of times in our life here recently.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Um and actually it's it it actually stems back if you remember at our very first expo years ago, when one of the things was the rules was you can't teach people that they don't need practitioners.

unknown 2:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Do you remember that rule?

SPEAKER_03 2:22

I don't, honestly. That was actually in the rules, I lived in my own drum.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Yeah, we do anyway.

The Big Idea: Practitioners As Facilitators

SPEAKER_03 2:28

But yeah, it's one of those stupid things where it's a bullshit misnomer out there from a template of lack. And what the they don't want you teaching people is you kill yourself. And I'm here to explain that mechanism.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Right, and I think the the major part of it that that uh gets never taught is that the practitioners and the people that help heal you are really just facilitators.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

Right. Because nowhere in here am I preaching the premise that I, as a practitioner and a healer myself, am I not trying to tell people that I'm not doing anything for them.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

Because I am, I'm I'm exactly what you said, a facilitator.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Right.

SPEAKER_03 3:30

But what I want to clean up in the frequency that's out there in the collective is I want to give it a new definition.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Right.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

I want to give it a new way of looking at it. Because the way we currently look at it is I go to a practitioner, they do their woo-hoo, and I feel miraculously better. And so they get logged as some guru of their technique. Yeah. And I can only feel better when I go to them, have them work their little magic wand. And so therefore, I'm attached to them, and I've always got to have them every time something comes up.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Right.

SPEAKER_03 4:13

And that is not the way this mechanism works.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

For sure.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

And what it does when we leave that definition in place is it it it continues to facilitate the matrix of uh lack and not self-empowering at all. Right. And lack from the practitioner standpoint of oh my gosh, if I teach them that they can do this, then I'll have no clients. Kind of like the modern medicine world is. If I teach them how to heal, I'm gonna lose billions of dollars on them taking this medication or I'm gonna be out of a job.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

Instead of it, and it it then puts that person on a pedestal, the doctor. You go to the doctor because they are the god of all medicine, and that's not how any of this works.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Right.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

They're co-creators, they're co-masterminds with you and your body, and that's how it needs to be looked at.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Right.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

We're helping each other facilitate your own individual blueprint of the regimen or the routine that works for you and teaching you how to formulate a language with your mind, body, and spirit that you can do on your own when you practice the the skill.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Well, I think most of the long-term practitioners that have been around for a long time actually teach this. Like I can give you two very good examples. Um, my energy healer, which there's only one guy that I've been able to really find that hits that energy mark, and that's Robert. You remember Robert? He's actually going to be at the Ozark uh convention. Ozark Research, as him and I had been talking, but he said it perfectly one time. He's you know, and he's got thousands of clients around the world.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

He's he's huge. And he said, I don't heal anybody, I just I just redirect their energy and give them mine with it.

Breaking The Guru Myth & Attachment

SPEAKER_03 6:22

That's exactly right, and that's my premise. I don't heal anyone, right? I redirect their energy, I redirect their awareness to their own internal frequency of their natural state of being. Well, you know what it is, then brings them to a place of realizing that they can find that frequency and do their healing themselves.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

But when they come into existence and go through their uh different trauma drama events, whatever, sometimes they'll lose the ability to find that frequency.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Right.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

And uh what so what I do is I go in, I clear the junk out of the way, basically, by helping them identify patterns, programs, and look at their beliefs so that they can tap into that frequency. And so what happens is they tap into that frequency through my frequency. So I go in and basically first thing we do is we clear the clutter around beliefs that are we clear the bullshit around a specific topic that's giving them trouble that they don't like, that they're ready to change. Right. And they can't hear or feel the frequency because all the junk is in the way.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Right.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

So we basically go in, we identify the most prominent thing that's bugging them at the moment, we clear away the clutter, and what I mean by clutter is you have a belief and your storyline. What is your storyline behind this belief? That'll tell you a lot.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

Right.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

I um am afraid to go and drive a car. Okay, why? So I take the public transit all the time or I walk, and they're tired of that and they want to do something different, right? Well, they come to me, we go in and we find out where that fear stems from. Where's the base of that?

unknown 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

Somebody farted. Do you smell that? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

It was me. Oh my god. I'm sitting here having this conversation, and this putrid look comes across his face, and he's looking around. And the cat is sitting on the cat tree staring at me. She's playing with the ball.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

That was that was crazy. It was like I smelled nothing. You go my god. So apparently the cat has got me off guard.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

So I lose the attendant based on old factory variant.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Since my event, my sense of smell is abstr astronomically crazy high.

SPEAKER_03 9:31

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, since he's had his stroke event, he can smell.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

It's insane when I can smell.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

He's got superhuman smell. Uh according to you, it sometimes is quite unpleasant as well.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

It is very unpleasant, yes. Like the guy that walked by me a while ago, I can smell him walking down the road 50 feet from me.

SPEAKER_03 9:53

He hasn't really found the gift within it.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Oh, there's a gift there. Fucking on finding it. But it's there.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

Anyway, back to my example and what I was explaining is didn't mean to distract you with my looks there for a moment. If if that individual is tired of walking and wants that part of the reality to change, essentially what I do is I go in and I find out what's the belief that makes them so afraid to get into a car and tell the story that when I get into a car, I'm claustrophobic and I can't breathe and I don't know why. Right. Well, we get to digging around and we come to the fact that, you know, in maybe their childhood, they had a very, very traumatic experience, or maybe even a motor vehicle accident that caused them to be trapped in the car that they forgot about.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

And that created a very, very traumatic and fearful experience when they get in a car now, which causes enclosed feeling, claustrophobia, and they just absolutely did not want to interact with a motor vehicle until this point in their life.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Right. And this is from the business side of this. I want to I want to take it to a business side for a moment. I'm not ready for you to go there. Oh, okay. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 11:22

So then what I do is is I go in, we clean that fear and that crap out of the way. Because I was trying to explain to you what I mean by we get rid of the clutter. So we get that clutter out of the way and we define where the root of that belief comes from, and we begin to work with that. And that's what I mean by the clutter.

What Healing Really Is: Permission And Safety

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Okay. Is this my permission?

SPEAKER_03 11:47

Yes, if you are insistent upon going and skipping steps.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

I'm not skipping steps. I didn't I just want to do because we always teach on the premise that um knowledge is power, and that's how we teach people. And what they need to understand is the consumer has changed because of three things. A, it's called anchoring biased. B, we have a whole influx now of new younger practitioners that have moved into the world and they're all over YouTube, they're all over the internet, you know, trying to sell their services to people, and they're anchoring people to think that they have to have a healer to heal.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

And when the consumers used to buy uh because of how they felt and how we how it was existed that this facilitator, practitioner, aka practitioner, is in their world because now the consumer has changed to where they're anchored to they have to have a practitioner to heal.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

I think that it hasn't changed. They were always anchored in that place.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Oh, I I would agree. Yeah. Somewhat. I mean, some of the older ones, they were they're pretty open about, hey, you know, if I healed you, then don't come back to me because you healed yourself anyway. Like I had that exact conversation with a couple of people at mini expos. And so I think the ones that are very uh veterinized, so to speak, into the practitioner world, they know that this could be the only time that we ever meet. And that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:16

Yeah. There's still a lot, a handful of them that are the OGs that have been doing it a while that still come from the template of the city. I wouldn't agree. There's a few of those who want to be seen as the guru of the technique that I use, put me on a pedestal. You have to have me to work this out. Right. And it is not the case.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

Right. And I totally agree. I totally agree with that. And what they what the are what everybody needs to understand is how anchoring bias works. And so when somebody is in the process of, you don't want to have this conversation. You know, am I in the wrong place?

SPEAKER_03 13:53

No, you can. I mean, I don't know what that word even means. I don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

So what anchoring bias, which is which I wrote about this in my book a little bit, I put the a few topics in there, and that is where people will put things into their presentations, into their sales tactics, into their whatever words that mean certain things in the narrative. So, like for example, if you are uh gonna buy a car and the salesman says, Oh yeah, this is a Dodge dealership, but hey, this car right here is the only one that has all this, and they'll move on. They won't the an anchored bias is a topic that somebody gives to you but moves away from because they want to create a spot of curiosity, and then they will conf and inflict that later into it again a couple, two or three times. And that's what a lot of these people on the internet and all over the YouTube and all that stuff, that's what they're doing. They're anchoring you to where you are addicted to this person instead of understanding and being knowledgeable that hey, I enjoyed this interaction, so that's why I'm going to buy, I feel better because I'm going to go see this person because of this, not because you've been anchored. That's what you have to really look at in yourself, is become and how to tell if somebody is doing it, is when they bring up a topic about whatever it is you're talking about, but ignore it. So, like if you're having a practitioner, a like I asked Missy one time when she was doing that reading for me in oh in Arkansas. I was like, uh how do you know all that? She's and she said that's not me talking, it's you. I'm not talking. I'm just all I'm doing is channeling what you're telling me in your energy.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

And but yet the other reader that was there that day 100% tried to anchor me by saying, Oh, yeah, this information, you know, I channel this information. It was it was I channeled this information. And she would then move on forward. That's the difference that people need to see in the practitioners and in the world, period. Doctors do it, psychologists do it, salesmen do it. You'll get anchored in that kind of a way, and you don't even realize you're being anchored, and it's a subliminal type messaging that's called uh neurolinguistic programming. And so, anyway, that's what I wanted to throw in there because you know, education is power, and you're gonna and I want you to explain it with them having an educated mind.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

That way they understand that you're not anchoring them to anything right now, and what they've been hearing and why they feel like they have to go back to this person, no matter what it is, is because you've been anchored to it. And so you've got to subconsciously look at it.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

It's not necessarily that they've been anchored to it.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Right.

Clearing Clutter: Beliefs, Stories, Roots

SPEAKER_03 16:48

There's so many beliefs and so many sections of one's life pie or one's belief system blueprint that if that person is your healer for right now, different topics, different subjects, different events will come up. And if you can't find the frequency of it, and you find that when you're in the presence of this individual that you call right now my healer, then they are facilitating and and speaking for the collective, which is your counsel, your higher self, your intuition through the healer to help that individual find the frequency of this topic so that they can then begin to work on the stuff themselves. That's why they return.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 17:50

And so sometimes it's not because they've been manipulated to return through the NLP.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

You can say it neurolinguistic programming.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

I always have trouble saying that. The I forgot my I wanted you to say the words neurolinguistic programming. Yeah, I have trouble saying it out.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:11

So it can be a little bit of both. Yeah. It can be one or the other. It doesn't have to be that you're anchored in place by some wizardry of the mouth.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 18:21

It can just be that this person resonates with me right now, right? They're in alignment with my counsel, they can tap into my space. I feel safe with them and allow them to tap into my space and be the vehicle that communicates to me. Because, see, that's another that's another component of it. If a client comes to me and they don't feel safe, they won't open up and I won't be able to get anything from their collective, either their higher self or their collective information in the archives or council, whatever they are, right, however they have their inner uh voices or voice structured, if they're not if they don't feel safe and they don't feel open, I will get nothing.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Right.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

And I will say, I I can't help you unless you allow me to help. Correct. And that's why it gets perceived that the practitioner's doing it for them.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Right.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

Because they the client, so to speak, I guess, is viewing it as they don't feel the frequencies quite like the practitioner does because they haven't practiced it, right? And so the practitioner feels the energy change, they feel the energy when they're tapped into that client's energy field and getting the data from that energy field and bringing it forth in a channeling way.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

And even the practitioners sometimes don't really understand the premise. And so that's why they will sometimes even feel like they're doing it for them and misunderstand what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Agreed. And that's what's pushing it out there, is the consumer is actually starting to really be anchored into the thought process that I'm not healing myself. That practitioner is healing me, and that's why I want to go see them. And as a good practitioner, we should always make sure that people are buying the feel and the result of it, not necessarily train them that that you're the one doing it, because it's in this world, even doctors don't heal your body.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Your body heals yourself.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Your body heals itself. That's right. They just facilitate it. It's the same thing across the board. And it doesn't matter if you go by a Dodge, a Ford, a Chevy, or whatever it is, you're not you're being the whole thing is just facilitated. The result is pretty much the same, but different names. Yeah. And that is the same thing as you.

unknown 21:15

Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:15

And so it when you When you make a decision in your belief systems, even in the modern medicine world, that you feel comfortable with this doctor, you feel comfortable with the recommendations that they're making, then what happens, even on a subconscious level, whether you're aware of it or not, you give your body permission to heal because of what this doctor recommended you do, or the medication or supplement the doctor recommended that you take, you still make either an unconscious or a conscious decision to allow that whatever it is, information, supplement, medication to go in and work inside the body either cohesively and synchronized with the body, or the body rejects it.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Yep, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

Totally based on what you gave permission to do. Right. And so even your doctor's not healing you, you're healing yourself because you felt a certain way about what they were presenting. It's no different in the metaphysical world when we work with your energies and your collective uh perspective, higher self, full on, you know, 12 member council, whatever that looks like.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

Right.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

What we're doing as practitioners, what I'm doing as a practitioner is I'm going in, I'm tapping into that space because you gave me permission to be there.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

Right.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Because if you don't give me permission, I can't open the door.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Right.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

And that's why as a client, you'll go to a practitioner and there's just not much that comes out of it.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Yeah.

Case Pattern: Fear, Triggers, And Reframing

SPEAKER_03 23:05

That's because the client is not fully giving a full permission to get in there and access all the different areas. Because your higher self and the beings or whatever that you work with on your own individual basis are only gonna allow you to work on what is in the highest and best interest of your client.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

And you will only be granted as a practitioner access to the depth of what that individual client's higher self will allow, because that higher self knows how far this client can and will and is ready to go.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Right, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

And that's how that whole mechanism works. You're the vehicle, you're the facilitator, you you chose the perfect word for it. Right. And the the thing that's getting confused is as practitioner, I don't want to be viewed as the one doing the work because that's not what's happening. I'm facilitating you finding the frequency and the understanding of how the mechanism works, right? Because, like you said, with knowledge comes release, relief, reprogramming.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

And and that's what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Right.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

I'm helping you find the frequency of where you want to go, finding the crap that's in the way, and letting you decide, okay, here's the frequency of where you want to go, feel what that feels like. Yeah, here's the knowledge of the crap, the garbage that's in the way that's not allowing you to feel your own frequency within that. You get to make a choice now of whether you get rid of the garbage, align with the frequency, and then do the work to change the habits around being able to find that frequency again and again. Yeah, practicing doing that.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

Every single person on this planet can do what I do with practice. I have been doing this for 30 plus years, and I started out doing it with myself and my friends and family to practice. And anyone that is in any kind of job, doesn't matter what it's called, when you've been doing that job for 30 something plus years, you become an expert in that job.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Oh, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

This type of job is no different, right? I have been tapping into people's frequencies and energies, and I understand that, and I know what those feel like in my body because my body and I have formulated a very specific language, and I understand that language. And so then I utilize that in for the benefit of others when they feel confused and lost, and they can't quite find the frequency because the radio station is too static-y. And so they come to me, I help get rid of the static so that that station comes in clear where they can hear it. Because if you can get to a place where you could hear it, um, then it gets easier to find.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

Right.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

And then and in them practicing finding it on a more consistent and regular basis, it may mean that they have to come to me once a week to where we go back in and I say, okay, let's get to a place where we can feel that frequency again.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

And it's just a it's a it's a practice. It's like if you're learning how to play basketball and you go to practice every week, right? It's because you're going there to practice muscle memory of shooting that free throw from the free f free throw line, and you're training your body on how to feel what that feels like, and you've got to practice it. It's no different.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

That's what coaches do. That is facilitate them learning, teaching their own body to do things.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

Hence the reason for being called a holistic coach. Yep. Or a life coach. We are not doing it for you.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Right.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

We are not coaching you.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Right.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

Physicians don't do it for you.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Right. You're right.

Business Lens: Anchoring Bias And Sales Energy

SPEAKER_03 27:56

They're facilitating you finding your own healing by means of me, such as people like me. I tap into wherever you'll let me tap into, your cashics, your higher self, whoever wants to come through, whatever wants to come through based on what you've allowed. Right, your physician does the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

Yep. I agree.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

They evaluate your physical symptoms or mental symptoms, they offer a uh treatment plan or regimen. Right. You then decide whether or not it resonates with you, and you either take the medication or do the therapy, and you see improvement because you've allowed it to come in and you've told your body, your own personal universe, that it's safe, and we're gonna utilize this tool, or it's not completely resonating because I haven't given it permission to, I don't feel completely safe, it doesn't align, then it's not gonna work. It doesn't matter what the fuck it is.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

Whether it's a pill, whether it's an MM, somebody called a pill, whether it's therapy session with a uh licensed psychologist, or whether it's a coaching session with a coaching, a life coach such as myself. Right, if you if that client is not getting permission and doesn't feel safe, then that person no longer is their healer, that person is no longer their facilitator. And what so the topic I brought to the floor is I I don't care for when people say I can't heal myself, right? Or when practitioners say clients can't do this for themselves.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

Yeah, we've had that happen just recently.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

Absolutely myth busted, it's a myth, it's not true, and it's not accurate. That's people not understanding how the mechanism works.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Right.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

And it's not true. That comes from a place of uh being in the lack mentality matrix. If I'm a practitioner and I have this client believe that they've got to have me in order to heal themselves, then I have an issue with lack in my own blueprint. And I'm afraid that there's not gonna be a client to replace them if they go away. So I've got to convince them that they need me so they'll keep coming back every week and paying their uh you know, counseling fee so that I can keep making an income. 100% because I don't believe that there's enough people out in the world that will come to me intermittently or on a regular basis for me to help facilitate them finding the things that are jamming them up and find the frequency of their natural state of being.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

Right.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Because you can have a repeat client, it just may be that it's a couple of months before you see them again, right? A couple of years or whatever, but there's plenty of people out there that are always looking for the beacon, they're always looking for the signal. Yeah, and if you're trapped in a lack mentality that this is the only client on the planet of the earth, then yeah, you're gonna feel like you need to anchor them in and make them believe that without you they can't they fail, they can't do this, which is essentially you trying to take their power away from them, and that's not right.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

I agree.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

We should all be trying to uh reiterate to our clients to have self-power and to give that back to them. There's plenty of things out there that steal people's self-power, and we should not be facilitating that.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

I totally agree.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

Come out of the lack template as a practitioner and teach your clients that they are the ones doing the work, even if they're not consciously aware of it. You're not doing the work. You're facilitating the components, whether it be helping them find the energy, helping them find the uh garbage around the belief, helping them come to the realization that they have a definition that's wonky.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Right.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

You're bringing them to a state of awareness and then bringing them to a state of remembrance. Right. That's what you're doing, you're facilitating that.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

And here and here's a way for the people to resonate with what you're saying with them is this like I didn't we just did the study because of the Jindan. I just did a study on the internet and how people view yoga on the internet. And the the crazy part about that study that I read was that over 20% of the people that actually pay for memberships at yoga studios, online yoga, those kind of things, have been doing yoga for over 20 years. And so why do they why do they keep going back? They know all the poses. They know the flows. They probably they probably know know them better than the coach that's teaching it. But yet they still go back. Why? They go back because they like the feeling of it.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

Right.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

They like they they like being in the group of people, they like being around the energy of the coach. Whatever that is that it is facilitating that good feeling is what practitioners need to move to.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

You're facilitating a feeling, you're not selling a service because you can't sell what they're providing.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

They're providing the service, all you're doing is facilitating them using their own service.

SPEAKER_03 33:51

Right.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

Which in turn gives them a certain feeling. And it's the same thing you do. Like I go to the same person to get my hair cut. Why I mean I can go get my hair cut from anybody.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

But why do I go get this? Why do I go back? Because it's fun. I like this person. I like the you know what? The service can be bought anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

And it's the same kind of thing. And if pre practitioners would get into that mindset and quit being fearful, then they would quit teaching the anchor to come back. Or you have to have me to feel better. Right. That's it's not right.

SPEAKER_03 34:24

And it's a different energy, it feels different. And so when you get to that place where you're not living in that lack mentality and you're not putting out that lack energy, inadvertently, what practitioners will find is that when they can come out of that perspective and embrace that, their clientele will go through the roof.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Oh, yeah, totally.

Resonance vs Manipulation: Returning Clients

SPEAKER_03 35:02

I've got to keep them coming back, or my paycheck is gonna show the evidence of that. Right. That's a much different energy to the universe than having the free feeling of I'm a facilitator. People come, people go, there's plenty of them out there, and what that does is that will bring in a whole different frequency and a whole different vibration within the practitioner's field uh belief. And what they'll find is that their client load will dramatically increase. Right. Because they've let go of that heavy uh lower vibrational frequency and energy around it. Right. And it'll be it'll it'll happen overnight if they can just get to a place where they realize that they're doing it. Yeah. Because I don't get me wrong, I know that this podcast is going to uh have an emotional effect on some people. Some people, yeah, and that's okay. 100% because sometimes bringing things to the person's awareness or the people's awareness is not comfortable, right? Um, but it's necessary, right? And people trying to stay comfortable will turn this podcast off.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

Right.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

But that's their journey.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 36:25

But people that are willing to become uncomfortable for a moment and really want to have change in their life will stop and they'll ask their selves questions of wow, that really binged me. Yeah, I obviously have something I need to look at, whether it be a client or whether it be a practitioner, because it it's a podcast for both.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

As a as a client, you it, you know, I hope it hits that spot of oh, I am the healer of my own being. This person is just facilitating that re-empower them. And what will happen for that client is that they'll begin to have profound levels of release and reprogramming and integration and improvement in their reality with their healer that they love going to, they'll begin to see bigger and better results.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

And for the practitioner, I would hope that it makes them stop and say, Oh, am I doing that? Right. And and if I am, I don't want to live in a lack template unconsciously. And what will happen then is that they make a decision that they want their reality to look different, they'll let go of that baggage of the ego saying, I am the healer, I am ego, it's all ego. I have all of these clients, and you need me to be able to heal yourself because you can't heal yourself. Right. I'm gonna say, bullshit. Right. But I want the practitioner to say, okay, wait, there is something to this.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

And you know, that's right. I facilitate it. Right. So am I living in the template of lack? And if they are, and they decide that they're ready to clean that up as a practitioner, and uh they do the work to kind of clean that up and come out of that template, right? Then they have a profound increase on their client base. 100% and it's changes their life. The ones that get pissed off and they turn it off and move away, it's not a podcast for them.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Right. You know, and so be it. And I want to make sure people understand that you can grow your client list without doing the anchoring bias that you're the one doing it. I just like like, for example, I can I teach this in my book as well, in sales energy method, is that a n eighty f 88% of sales are done because of an energy and a relationship built with between those people.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Even car salesmen. It doesn't matter if you're whatever product you're selling, like less than 20% of sales done period across the the world are done off spur of the moment, which is the other highest level of sales in the world. That's why those candy bars are by the registers when you're checking out at the grocery store. It's called impulse. So you have relationship purchasing and then you have impulse purchasing.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

And like for an example, my barber for years back in Texas, her name was Rhonda. She was a terrible barber. She could not cut hair without leaving lines and stuff for years, but she had a huge client base because people liked her. She had a relationship with them.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

And that's what hair salons do, that's what barbers do, all that stuff. They're not selling a service because everybody they can go buy that service from any other person. Those people keep coming back to you because they like you because of the relationship. Well, it's the same thing that that you can do in in your relationship or in any of your clients, that any relationship you build with your clients need to understand that it's an energetic exchange. And when you put yourself into a position that you are the only person that can solve this solution, their subconscious mind will say, Yeah, and your client base will leave will slowly dwindle.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

And yeah, I mean, if if you like I said, if you've got that mindset that you've got to lose this uh individual client that they need you in order to do this work, you'll constantly struggle against the stream to get more clients and it will you'll you'll just you'll struggle.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

You'll struggle constantly because they feel the energy behind it. Um and subconsciously it doesn't feel good because people want to be self-independent. And when you sell a energy of that you have to have me to be independent, then the subconscious mind's gonna kick start kicking in at some point.

SPEAKER_03 41:25

Right.

Doctors, Coaches, And Self-Healing Parallels

SPEAKER_01 41:26

And you've got and this is on the uh the other side of this topic, is you can very easily uh do what you do, the service that you provide, whatever that is, in a very trustworthy way without creating that negative energy that'll grow behind it. And it's very simple, it's three easy steps. First of all, A, you should always, always, always, always make sure that you're up front and tell them that I'm hey, I'm not doing this, healing. I I am just facilitating you healing yourself. You should say that. That should be a that should be a client. Look, I'm not healing you, I'm just I'm just facilitating your healing.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

Right.

SPEAKER_01 42:05

Number two, that you can do is you need to understand one thing. If you don't know your client's last name, then you're not building a relationship with that person. And you know, you need to get to know that person. You need to understand that that in that in the anchored bias behind it should be in the relationship that you're building with them. And one of the I I just use that as an example because it's a better way to start building a relationship. When you actually know somebody's first and last name, that means that they have been intimate. Like how many times do you get introduced to somebody that you um shake their hand do they say, My name's James Emory? They don't. They say, Hi, I'm James. Do you understand? So it's if you can get them to enter, you know, that you understand, oh, I want to know your last name, it makes them feel important. And that's where that kind of stuff needs to come into play.

SPEAKER_03 42:54

And the third thing about it is, is you need to you that may be the truth when you're selling a product or something out there. There's a lot of times I only know the last name simply because the patient, the client wrote it down on the form that I had them fill out. I, to do what I do, don't need to know not saying that their name first or second, and they don't necessarily care whether I know their last name. Well, and I can access intimate details without them even saying anything. Understand. So it's not a good thing. But you are very much different than most people. And it depends on the type of service you're facilitating.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

100% agree with that. I think that you the what I what what I just said doesn't resonate with you because you do this stuff naturally and have a channel that you don't even have to have their names. You can just sit down with them. But what I'm saying with with people to learn how to get to build what you have, they should build that relationship because doing that is going to make you build that relationship with yourself. And so it's a two way street. So you getting to know somebody because you're going to, in response, say, Oh, my last name's Emory. You know, you're gonna and you'll start doing that and you're teaching yourself. I'm talking about the minor people that are, especially all the new ones, the the new younger facilitator practitioners. They have a tendency to try to loop recuperating funds by looping people back to them. And you don't have to do that. You know, but the you know, the last part of those that three steps is understand that your productivity and the way they feel when they walk away, 99% of the time is what determines if they're ever going to come back to you. And so you build a relationship, you understand, first of all, honesty and trustworthy is built in the beginning because trust is earned, not given. Relationship building is is there. And then the last thing is how they feel when they walk away.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

I just think that on this topic, we have two very different perspectives, and we might just agree to disagree on some aspects of it. Um, just like the trust. I don't necessarily believe that it's earned and not given. I come across complete strangers all the time that want my services um based on um how they feel. And they don't know me from Adam, and I don't know them from Adam.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

Once again, this is that same topic that you're just more way more advanced than most people are. They will, automatically by you.

SPEAKER_03 45:36

And I didn't do anything necessarily special to earn it. I didn't do anything to I uh like I didn't do some circus trick to uh necessarily earn their uh trust in it. I agree. I just am my natural, truthful, authentic self. And that's exactly what I do is uh, you know, I correct my clients all the time. I need to come to you for a healing session, I need you to work on this, this, or this and and heal me. And I'll tell them, then don't bother because I don't do the healing. When you're ready to heal yourself, I will help facilitate that for you. When you get to that place, then call and make an appointment.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:25

And uh, you know, so and I work with people all the time, all the time, everywhere I go working with people.

SPEAKER_01 46:32

Well, I think the mission of this whole podcast is to make people understand that that uh no matter where you go, what practitioner, facilitator, physician, that all they're doing is facilitating the operation. And and that operation's within you.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

Well, and that was my agenda whenever I touched this sensitive topic. It wasn't to, you know, run clients off so that practitioners wouldn't have any clients. Right. I mean, that doesn't help me either. I work with clients on a regular basis as well. Right. It's to redefine the place where we come from.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

Because if we're truly wanting to empower an individual and give them their power back, we have to teach them that they're doing the actual work. We are just facilitating them finding the place to look inside of them to find the different components of the mechanism that's in play here.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

Yeah.

Practice, Frequency, And Muscle Memory

SPEAKER_03 47:37

And that mechanism is you have a belief system that's working in the background. If you've never looked at that, then it is old and outdated, and you're running a reality, a holographic reality based on an old, outdated belief system. When you get tired of your reality repeating the same old bullshit, then you get to a place where you're ready to look at those belief systems and work with them. But if you've been running that unconscious belief system for long enough, 10, 15, 20 years, then you forget and you haven't formulated a language with your body, your energy body, your physical body, your mental body, then you forget what that feels like. You forget how to find that frequency. Yep. When you forget that, then confusion comes in and you feel stuck. Yep. You feel confused, you don't know where to start. God Almighty, where do I where do I begin? Where do I even look? So then you begin to find that you're going through looking for little breadcrumbs. You're walking into metaphysical stores or libraries, looking for a book, looking for some sort of place to find some education to teach you. And what uh inevitably, whenever you were you calling the Yetis. No, we were just clarifying the channel a little bit. Inevitably, then what happens is that your higher self says, Okay, you're ready. You really want this, then I'm gonna align you with the next person.

SPEAKER_00 49:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

And you find yourself on maybe YouTube and a video pops up and it dings your bell, and you're like, oh, let me listen to this.

SPEAKER_01 49:19

Or on the cityum world at the practitioners.

SPEAKER_03 49:21

That's right. Or you come across an individual and they say the right words of, hey, I'm a life coach, or whatever, and then here we go, we're off and running. Then what happens is they bring those beliefs that are antiquated to your physical reality. They start teaching you how to become aware when a belief is ready to come up, yeah, and it's outdated, and then they start teaching you how to rewrite that belief, dissolve that belief, uh, work on the definitions around that belief. Uh, there's there's many different areas, forgiveness, whatever, whatever that looks like depending on the belief. And then they begin to train you to find that frequency and modify the habits around that because we're habitual creatures. Yep. We will always fall back on our comfortable habits, yeah. And you have to consciously catch yourself doing that and retrain a habit.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

Agreed.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

Because it's comfortable, yeah. And it's convenient.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

It's easy for the subconscious mind too. Right. Anyway, well, I feel good. How do you feel?

SPEAKER_03 50:35

I feel great.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

Hey guys, don't forget to uh like, follow, and share. Go to our website, www.themirchcenters.org. And uh did you have anything else before two closing? I think I'm good. Um and don't forget to follow the podcast, share it with somebody that might need it. You just never know. Yeah. Um also check out Lucidium World at www.lucidiumworld.com. You can check out the gindan yoga stuff at gindanyoga.net, um, which will be up to probably today the next day or two, that website will be up. And uh let's see. Oh, we're gonna be at Ozark Research Institution uh in April, April 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Um we'll be speaking on Sunday. I think it's the fifth, I think it is. I don't even know. I don't know what day it is. But anyway, we're speaking on Sunday, whatever that is.

SPEAKER_03 51:24

I'm telling you, you need to look at the letter. It's Monday at 9 a.m.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

Okay. Okay. But anyway, and so I'll be also have a booth there. Yeah, we'll have a booth there.

SPEAKER_03 51:36

Some of our merchandise.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

A lot of our merchandise.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

I'm gonna be bringing some birthday cards, I'm gonna be bringing t-shirts, our books. Um our books will be there.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

And we'll be doing sessions there. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

We'll be doing some sessions live.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Yeah, and uh, we may do a live broadcast from there. Let's have to see. Whatever. We might do a podcast from the convention. But anyway, anyway, guys, don't forget to uh like, follow Cheryl, and uh ring that bell. I just like totally screwed that up, didn't I? Yeah, yeah. Let's try that again.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

You've been stepping on me all day.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

Uh what? Wow. Did you all hear me? I won't I want to comment in there. Did anybody hear me step on her? Okay, just checking. Uh don't forget to like, follow, and share, and ring that bell. Hey, we hope you all have an awesome day.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

Love ya.