The Spiritual Grind
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The Spiritual Grind
Relevance, Beliefs, And Big Decisions
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What if “relevance” isn’t a filter to shrink your life, but a compass that points to your next aligned move? We take a real-world, unfiltered look at how beliefs shape what feels important, why some people thrive on cliff jumps while others need careful plans, and how one clear decision can reroute an entire future. From running your home like a business to avoiding burnout by staying human, we explore when structure helps and when it quietly turns you into a robot checking boxes.
We dig into the belief-perception-relevance loop: beliefs shape perception, perception selects what seems relevant, and those choices reinforce the life you’re living. Change the loop and you change the life. You’ll hear honest strategies for two paths that both work—intuitive leaps and methodical baby steps—plus signals to watch for when you’re deciding: repeating nudges, chance encounters, and the surprising symbology in everyday moments. We also unpack “everything is relevant and nothing is”: how to pull the lesson from an experience, apply it, and then release it without spiraling into worry or impatience.
Expect practical takeaways you can use today. If you’re stuck in the to-do list trap, try a clean relevance check: is this task aligned with the reality I want, or is it a loophole to avoid discomfort? If you crave change, define one relevant move that stretches you without breaking your nervous system—pre-sell a service, schedule a weekly build block, or commit publicly to a deadline. If you’re content, let that be true and stop borrowing other people’s priorities. Work, relationships, health, money—the same compass applies across all of it.
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Cold Open In Daytona
SPEAKER_00Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the Spiritual Grand.
SPEAKER_03Good morning.
SPEAKER_00We are here again doing our thing.
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SPEAKER_00Our thing, our thing, our thing.
SPEAKER_03Here in Daytona Beach, Florida.
SPEAKER_00Was that your phone already?
SPEAKER_03Oh, crap, biscuits.
SPEAKER_00That was your phone already? Yeah. We're less than a minute into this already.
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SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_03Dang. That jar just keeps getting fuller and fuller.
SPEAKER_00That's crazy.
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SPEAKER_00Well, hopefully this week the app launches. Well, actually, it's Monday, I think, actually, before we launch.
SPEAKER_03But hopefully, what kind of verbiage is that nonsense?
SPEAKER_00Well, the lap the lap, the app is scheduled to launch the lap uh on the seventh, which is Saturday, actually.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So we are patiently waiting to get the word.
SPEAKER_00We are patiently waiting by baited breath. Right? Isn't that how that works? Baited breath. I don't know. Um, you're looking at me funny.
Cat Producer Chaos
SPEAKER_03I'm trying to decide what the proper is. You know, I'm the one who cusses wrong, so I don't know why you ask me. Yeah, you do use data in your own place. I mean, you know, I I word things differently.
SPEAKER_00Well, you ready for the topic of the day?
SPEAKER_03Baited breath. I don't what does that mean, anyways? Does that mean you have bad breath and you could catch a fish and kind of like your breath is bait? Out of the out of the smells like chum?
SPEAKER_00Maybe. Maybe I've met some. I know some people like that.
SPEAKER_03I think that's a t-shirt.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Eat a tic-tac, man. You got chum breath.
SPEAKER_00Chum breath. It's a fisherman's shirt there. Of course, I don't know, man. I've met some pretty roungy breath people.
SPEAKER_01Why do you go around smelling people's breaths?
SPEAKER_00I'm not going to throw anybody under the bus, but one of the people that are last place. Wow. Every day that that uh uh breath was horrendous.
SPEAKER_03My first question.
SPEAKER_00Anyone to come up to you and say, Hi.
SPEAKER_03Why would you get that close to somebody?
SPEAKER_00Well, they you know, personal spaces, not in most people's dictionary. It was like every day, hi, how are you? This is more happening. You're like shit. I f I felt like that witch. I'm melting.
SPEAKER_03But anyway, the producer is in the house, everybody.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
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SPEAKER_00Right next to the record button on the mixer to be comfortable.
SPEAKER_03She's like, damn, man, do I gotta do everything myself? You guys are playing around too much.
SPEAKER_00Y'all are just idiots.
SPEAKER_03Bunch of idiots.
SPEAKER_00I think she thinks everybody and everything other than her are idiots.
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SPEAKER_03Especially when she gives you that look like Garfield does.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, she is definitely Garfield when it comes to me. She likes to pick on me.
SPEAKER_03I feel like she's uh a little bit worse than Garfield, actually.
SPEAKER_00For sure. She can't sit still sometimes. I think she's Garfield with anxiety and schizophrenia.
SPEAKER_03She's definitely bossy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03We're talking about the cat.
SPEAKER_00Job of the cat.
SPEAKER_03Job of the cat with the big pink belly.
SPEAKER_00Alright, are you ready for today's subject? Today's topic.
Defining Relevance
SPEAKER_03Do tell.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so we're gonna talk about relevance. But not in the way you think we're gonna talk about it. Excuse me.
SPEAKER_03Sorry, there's a microphone part. I had to adjust.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you had to adjust the microphone. But in a way of relevance, as here's one way to explain it. Apples to apple. So when you say for example, you have a billionaire tycoon. Okay, to him giving away a million dollars is not relevant.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00But to the human person that's normal average income, give away a million dollars is very much a much bigger relevant subject or happenstance.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that would kind of be a all my F and God kind of relevance.
SPEAKER_00And so my thought is today, because this is where my mind thought of I woke up this morning at is relevance. What you know, when you do something with your belief system and you work on a belief, to you it's really relevant.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00It's a big deal.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00If somebody else has already worked on that belief, to them it's irrelevant. It's an irrelevant irrelevant topic.
SPEAKER_03It can be for sure, unless you are, you know, a a coach or a life path assistant. We try to find relevance in everything. Find relevance and everything. And I know I do. I try to take myself back to when I was going through whatever that person's going through and remember what it felt like so that I can remember what steps I took, what I did to make it feel less edgy, right? Less uncomfortable. But yes, to the average individual, it is uh very much a relevance type lifestyle. I agree. If they don't have any firsthand experience on going through what you're going through, it's very easy to say, okay, why everybody has a story. It's very easy to get lost in not my bubble, not my business. I can't really relate because it has no revel revela.
SPEAKER_00Is that how you say that? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like that was a glitch. It has no revelence. Is that the word?
SPEAKER_00Well, you got me second guessing myself. Let me look at my notes. Relevance. Relevance.
SPEAKER_03It's not revolence.
SPEAKER_00Right, relevance.
SPEAKER_03It's relevance, right?
SPEAKER_00Yes, that's correct.
SPEAKER_03Choose a different word. Oh my God. I haven't had enough coffee for this shenanigans.
SPEAKER_00But here's another layer to that thought that I was having this morning.
SPEAKER_03I like layers. Take us through the rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_00Well, it may get there because, like, for example, me, myself, I've been a manager, a business owner, whatever, most the majority of my life.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00I have worked for other companies, but not as much as I have for myself. So the way I run my business is very relevant to each topic that happens.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
Business, Home, And Boundaries
SPEAKER_00But we have a tendency as humans, I would say. There's a lot of us. I don't know. I know me, myself, and a few of my people that have been following me on my YouTube. Um they're talking about the relevance of subjects. And so how do we as humans not confuse business life, personal life, and and interior or self-relevance? Because we manage those each section of that differently. And so that you can see where that becomes very clouded. Like for example, one of the uh comments on my YouTube was was, Well, it's that's a relevant subject because I run my home like a business. Okay. And so then I'm thinking to myself, well, it so relevant in business also means sacrifice. Because most of the time when you're doing something in in business that's a r that's a relevant subject to the business, there's something in there that you Paul Peter, you know, you you rob from Peter to pay Paul. Or you you're giving away. Right. Okay. And so here's the rabbit hole topic behind that.
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, you've kind of already created one.
SPEAKER_00I did.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Please carry on.
SPEAKER_03No, no, go ahead. Finish your thought process.
SPEAKER_00And so the the rabbit or the whole part of it that is can be distinguished as confusing to people.
SPEAKER_03Uh.
SPEAKER_00Is why does it have to be relevant in the first place? Mmm. Juicy. So there you go, Dr. Jenny. Take the floor.
SPEAKER_03Take it away.
SPEAKER_00Because that's where my thought has been all day, because it is true. It's very much per se for each person. You know, what is relevant to one person, um, no matter what the topic is. You know, I just used those earlier as examples. It's all in how they perceive the relevance of the subject. And that becomes from beliefs, which is the rabbit hole in itself.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00There you go. The floor is now the topic is set. There's your floor, Dr. G.
SPEAKER_03Well, first of all, I gotta figure out how to say the damn word.
SPEAKER_00Let's just call it L R T for today. How about that? When it's RT.
SPEAKER_03All right, let's dive in. So uh the first thing that I wanted to conversate about on what you put forth here to us was the comment that was made. I run my home like a business. That's not a bad thing.
SPEAKER_00Not saying it is.
SPEAKER_03So in business, you manage people in your relationship. You don't want to find yourself being that spouse that manages the other spouse. So you want to be careful with that.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03And otherwise, it's not bad business necessarily to run your home like a business. Okay. And the fact of being organized and structured so that you can get all the human to-do list crap done if that's the way you're choosing to live life. Um, and there was a there was a day in our life where that's how we lived like everybody else. We had a nine to five. We um did like everybody else does. You get up, you get ready for your nine to five, dishes can wait because you're going to your work category, you're not at your home category, and then you get home, you're doing the separate thing, making sure we got something to wear, so it may incorporate some laundry, and all of that's relevant. And setting that structure up in a to-do list kind of business structure helps people stay organized when they set their life up like that. We go to the grocery store on Fridays, you know, you've got certain agenda and certain scheduled things that keep life feeling like you're in control, like you're organized. And so setting life up like a business can be um beneficial if it helps you stay organized.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03Where it comes in and becomes clunky is if you forget to act um emotionally human in it. Right. If you're just robotically living life in all areas of the life pie, like it's all just a business and it's like a big fat to-do list, then you're not stopping to say, what's the enjoyment, what's the purpose, live in the now. You're just trying to get the to-do list checked off and done. Yeah. And I'm here to tell you the to-do list is never done when you live life that way.
SPEAKER_00Agreed. It's like it never ends, it's insane.
SPEAKER_03And in that scenario, the relevance is a mechanism that is used to keep the to-do list small.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03Because if we go through that robotic lifestyle and everything makes it to the to-do list because you're living in a in a place of, okay, well, I gotta fix Betty Sue's shit, and I gotta do Jimmy Don's shit, and I get it, your to-do list gets very large.
SPEAKER_00Your toodly-doo list. Your tool list-doo list.
SPEAKER_03That's a ginnyism.
SPEAKER_00Your toot. My toodly-doo list. Hello there. Toodle-doo list.
The To-Do List Trap
SPEAKER_03My toodly-doo list gets very long. And that to some people feels awful. Feels horrible. Oh my god, I'm never gonna get this fucking list done. Uh uh-uh. So then you bring in, okay, is this relevant? And you use it in that way. Is this relevant to me? And that's where I bring in my comment of not my monkey, not my circus, not in my bubble. Okay, and it helps me start eliminating what's actually my relevant, what's actually relevant to my existence. Okay, and so it can be used as a way of uh whittling down your perceived responsibilities if you've got that a little wonky. If you used to live life where everybody in the whole damn world is your responsibility to fix, like superhero fucking mentality. That's actually a syndrome, and you come to a place where you're you're burnt out, you're exhausted, you've beat yourself down to the place where you just don't think you can go another day, you'll use relevance to whittle down your toodly-doo list as a type of modality or a mechanism within the system, rather than becoming aware of how you got there in the first place. So because you're not purposely aware that you're trying to fix shit for everybody else instead of concentrating on your own crap. So it can be a um like fall guy mechanism that you put in place, a loophole, if you will, when you have a shitty mechanism working and you're not willing to look at and identify the beliefs, patterns, and programs that you're running from, it's uh a scapegoat way of giving yourself permission to make your to-do list smaller. So that's how it can trip you up and trap you. When you get to a point where you are working your system to actually modify your belief system to where it functions in a manner that gives you a reality that's more enjoyable, then you can come to a place where you can see the relevance of everything that crosses your path because now your reality becomes not just a place you have to exist and not just a place you have to do a to-do list, but it becomes a place of symbology and mirror work where it's always showing you where and how you can improve and level up. And so then that makes everything relevant.
SPEAKER_00Well, now here, here's a different level.
SPEAKER_03When I hear, listen here.
SPEAKER_00No, I say, I say, listen here, boy. I say, I say listen to me when I'm talking to you, boy. Anyway, so here's the level of this that I have taken this to today.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00So bring it on. Isn't relevance relevant to the thought process of turning it into importance? Because here's where that hole goes is the majority of people within our life, we we create a list of to-do things to do. No most of the time relevance is attached to action. Why is it relevant? It's trying to create a certain result. And most of the time humans have a tendency to create importance based off things outside themselves. So, like, for example, keeping up with this with the Joneses. Those kind of things. You know, like like for example, used to be very, very, very important to my grandfather to go to church every Sunday and and read his Bible every Sunday afternoon because that's what he was taught to do. That's how he goes to heaven. And so it was very relevant in his world.
SPEAKER_03That's right. Yeah. That's his process. So it is very relevant.
SPEAKER_00Now, here's the part of it, there's the trap that popped into my head about relevance.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00So, like you, you have always lived in that life of of adventure, and you don't you don't believe that to live comfortably you have to have one job for 50 years. You know, you don't believe that way, but the rest of your family does.
SPEAKER_03Uh-huh. A lot of them do. A lot of them. I have one sister that doesn't really believe that.
SPEAKER_00Okay. But for you, it's relevant to be adventurous. And and live life. For the majority of your family, their relevance is to be stable. And so isn't relevance based off perception.
SPEAKER_03Well, it is, but what's perception based off of?
SPEAKER_00Beliefs.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. So we bring it all the way back around.
SPEAKER_00Back to the rabbit hole. This is a circle I've been running on all morning, right here. Because every time I work on something, I'm like, oh, this keeps circling right back around.
SPEAKER_03Right. The circle that brings us right back to beliefs.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_03It depends on what is your beliefs.
SPEAKER_00And the definitions within the beliefs.
SPEAKER_03That's right. Yeah. It depends on what your beliefs are and what the definitions are and what the patterns are that you're running, as to what your perception is, which then in turn creates what is relevant and what is not for you in your particular regime or daily uh system that you work. It's all a loop. When you ascend to a place where you you see the relevance in everything and see the relevance in nothing is the place of balance of neutrality.
SPEAKER_00Where you can find both sides of that. Right. Right. So you can find where this topic is relevant, and you can also find where this topic is not relevant.
Beliefs Shape Perception
SPEAKER_03Exactly. Okay, I just want to make sure you're and so what that does. So we'll go down the rabbit hole just a hair here. You get to decide what's relevant and what's not. That's the beauty of it. But where what are you what perspective or what perception are you deciding that from? Are you deciding it from an exhausted nervous system and a shitty belief system? And you're using that as a loophole, a scapegoat to not deal with shit, to change your perspective, but then you want to whine about you don't like the way your reality looks. And so then you use it as an Quate brand method to they even have a Quate anymore. Sure fine.
SPEAKER_00I think it's great value. Great value, whatever.
SPEAKER_03The cheapened watered down version of how you're dealing with your own garbage.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And so then it just becomes a an escapegoat, a loophole that you're working within the confines of your own belief system. Right. And that's where it'll snag you up. The relevance, the true perspective of relevance is that if you are controlling your own reality, which we've all we all do. We all do. Whether people want to bite that sandwich or not, you control your own reality. Yes. You then come to a place where your holographic reality that you're living in right this minute is a mirror of the past beliefs and energy that you are holding. It's old news. And if you choose to work on your baggage and your shit, then the up-and-coming reality that's headed your way will be different because you choose to see that okay, this random stranger walked up on my patio and said something out of blue, out of nowhere, I don't know him from Adam. But he walked up on my patio and began to conversate. What is the relevance? You'll come to a place where you begin to say, I don't know who the fuck you are. Get off my patio. It's not relevant. That is running, not looking at and being accountable for your belief systems and the mirrored concept of the illusion that you've created. You ignore it. Not my monkey, not my circus, not my business. What you transcend into is that, oh, okay, wait a minute. Universe is speaking, there is some relevance here because this happened. This random, what appears to be random, has some relevance because it's happening in my reality, and I create my own reality. So why did I put this situation, event, person in my life to come in on my patio at this very moment and say what they said? Then you begin to look for the relevance and the symbology as an indicator of things that you might be ready to work on, you might be ready to release, you might be ready to um become accountable for because you are looking for the relevance of everything that goes on in the reality that you're creating.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But if you're just going along like a robot nine to five, and you're burnt out, you're exhausted, you don't like the reality you've created, but you're not willing to own it and blame it on everybody else, or I have a shitty job. Well, newsflash, you picked the shitty job. If you're still in that mindset, then yes, relevance has a completely different definition and it has a completely different experience. So then you use it as a way to not look at your own shit. It's a cop-out, basically. This is not relevant to me. I don't know why it's in my reality. I'm gonna shove it aside, and the universe or your higher self or your spiritual counsel says, All right, well, that didn't work. She is still not willing to look at this crap, so we're gonna feed it to her in a different way. Yeah. And we're just gonna keep banging on the door, man, until she decides she wants to look at this. But your your monkey mind will keep using the, all right, this really has nothing to do with me. It's irrelevant. That's just you saying, okay, I see it. I am not gonna become consciously aware of it because I'm not ready to make any true changes in my life. I just want to sit around and bitch about it and keep doing the same shit. So then you use it as kind of a cop-out to not deal with your shit. That's the difference between is it relevant or is it not? So if you're saying this is not relevant to me, then you've not reached that place of truly becoming self-aware and accountable for your garbage. You're still using it as a loophole cop out of not dealing with your garbage.
SPEAKER_00Yes. And a very good example of that is is what brought this topic into my reality today. That I was watching one of these uh Instagram channels where this guy goes up and he talks to billionaires and millionaires, and he's got like the largest platform in that in this niche. It's huge. But he was speaking to a billionaire this morning that is uh now in private equity in manufacturing, and he asked him what's the difference between you and somebody else. And he said, Well, one relevant decision. And the guy and the the interviewed him said, Well, define that. He said, No. Relevance is your own definition.
SPEAKER_03That's right.
SPEAKER_00And if you view yourself and you're happy in a place that you view you view as happy and you're in your whole and you're complete just exactly where you are, which could be defined as a nine to five job Monday through Friday.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Or be in the sacker at at a grocery store. If you're happy and whole in that environment, then it's relevant.
SPEAKER_03That's right.
SPEAKER_00But if you're unhappy, then everything you do after that has to be relevant.
Priority, Happiness, And Risk
SPEAKER_03That's right. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00And he said one decision at a time that's that is scaled by the relevance of your life.
SPEAKER_03That's right. Relevance can be interchanged with priority.
SPEAKER_00Right. If you're happy and whole, yeah, then it's nothing as relevant because you're creating your reality in the way you want it anyway.
SPEAKER_03That's right.
SPEAKER_00But if you want more, then you have to do relevant decisions.
SPEAKER_03Right. You've got to be aware of the relevance of all things coming in and evaluate them one topic, one situation, one event at a time. And it circles back around to if you're trying to create a different reality, you do it one step at a time. You can't eat the whole damn elephant.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and then he said, uh, the guy said, Well, what relevant decision did you make to get started? He said, I made one relevant decision one morning over a cup of coffee that changed the course of my life and my family's life forever. Yeah. And he said, Well, what was that? He said, I decided to change my life relevantly by I hawked everything. I I went in debt, I went up to my ears, I went all in on the decision that I made. No matter what, I made that decision, and I made it relevant in my world.
SPEAKER_03Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_00And he said six months later, after worrying sometimes where I was gonna eat or how I was gonna pay my bills, or if I was eating ramen for seven days, or whatever it was, yeah. My because of my relevant decision to create this world that is relevant in my world based on my decision, based on his decision, it changed everything.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00And six months later, he was he had earned his first month a million dollars.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00And now he's a billionaire. And but anyway, he said, and and that was what what really triggered that thought for me is because I've been on both sides of that hole. And I've been on both sides of that world. Have you ever fallen in the hole? Oh, yeah, I've fallen in a hole at a time or two. I'm pretty good at falling in holes. Did anybody I'm really good at crawling out of holes, too? You know, once you fall that many times in a hole, you get good at crawling out. Right.
SPEAKER_03You've got a crawl out plan.
SPEAKER_00Because it's relevant for me to get to hell about this hole. But it it's it is true. So, and and if anything, this podcast should make everybody look at the relevance of the decisions in their make in their in their world that they're making.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because today, what you might not view as relevant could be relevant tomorrow if you're actually looking at it.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00And uh, like he said, and he said it right. He said perfect. It was one relev relevant decision that changed my life. Because I wasn't happy where I was.
SPEAKER_03It's a trip upward to even say.
SPEAKER_00It is. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But then we've been I mean, he said it beautifully, honestly.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_03That's exactly the whole premise. But it it toggles right back around to what it what are your beliefs and what uh which create your perspective, which then in turn creates your perceived relevance of the world around you. Right. And how you define it. And and how you define it and how you interact with it. And if you're quite content being whatever you're being, then you're right. Nothing is relevant until it becomes relevant.
SPEAKER_00And that's what he said to this this guy. He said, So when you made that one relevant decision in your life to be different than what you are, because you weren't happy of who you were and where you were in life, how did you define relevance? And how did you I mean, basically he said to him, How did you make that decision and how did you define the word relevant when you said to yourself, I'm making this one relevant decision? And he said, It's very simple. You can define it any way you want as long as it's important enough to you and you're aligned with what you are to go in life and what you're where you're wanting to go in life.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so I think that part of it we can clean it up just a little bit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I might I may not have said that right, but no, you said it fine. I just think that we can make it a little clearer and a little easier to understand, because what that person was actually wanting to know is how did you know that it was the right decision? How did you know that it was the direction that you're supposed to go in? How did you know it was relevant?
SPEAKER_00Right.
One Decision That Changes Everything
SPEAKER_03That's what people look for because a lot of times if people are uncomfortable in their current reality and they're trying to figure out how to take that next step and they don't really know how, for whatever reason, confusion, feeling like they have lack of knowledge, majority's fear, fear of the unknown, fear of coming out of their comfortable place, you know, whatever that is. How do you know that taking that next step is the right next step? I think that's the question. Especially if you're not in a highly uh awakened place where intuition is like sitting on the patio with a version of yourself saying, Let's check this out, and this is the way you need to go, and listen to me kind of conversation. If you're not there yet, and you're uh like a the the most prominent example. I have people that are in the nine to five and they want to get out of the rat race. They don't want to be in the nine to five rat race where they dread getting up, they dread going to work, and doing that same thing over and over. Hate is a very strong word, but yes, some people do hate it. Some people are just looking for something changed that allows them some additional freedom, some additional funding. And most people, I will say, that that come to us or come to me to work with me, their biggest concern or their biggest relevant issue for them is yeah, I don't like my job. I want to do a different job, but I can't see how the job I love to do can fund and sustain my financial lifestyle. And I don't know what step to take, and I don't know how to really trust in the unseen. Yeah. I don't know how to get out of the template of I'll believe it when I see it. Yeah. Mentality. That's the thing that people are looking for.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And listen, there's no easy way to do it. When you get tired of it enough and you get fed up enough, you'll make that existential crisis decision. Unless you find a way to become okay with the current decision you made, you find a way to feel better in the job that you hate for a minute and do it methodically and strategically. It depends on what kind of personality you are. Yeah. Let me break it down a little easier. I'm the personality that I don't have to see it to believe it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03If I am instructed to go and jump off of this cliff, I will go jump off the cliff and trust that my counsel will provide me an easy journey to the ground. And that's just the way I live.
SPEAKER_00Knowing your ass if some bird would come out of nowhere and catch you on the way down.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. Or some dinosaur. Yeah, that'd be kind of cool. And that's the way I live. And that has always proven to be quite a functional way to live. Yeah. I trust in my counsel, I trust in my higher self, and they've always provided every single thing I need. And never one time have I fallen to my death. Proverbally. Um, but I look for the relevance in every single thing. I listen, I look, I learn, I ask the question. This is in my reality for a reason. I hear you. What does this mean? And if I can't decipher it straight away, then I begin to ask the questions. All right, give me clarity. What does this mean? What am I supposed to do?
SPEAKER_00Give me clarity or give me death.
SPEAKER_03And and that's how I live. And some people are like that. They'll just jump off and they'll run with an idea. They get a thought, they get an idea, they know like they know that it's a good idea and they're willing to make the commitment to follow it all the way to the bottom and back up.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_03And that's the personality that they are. If you're not that personality, you gotta take baby steps. You've got to do what works inside of your belief systems, you've got to work within the parameters of the belief system that you have in place. Otherwise, it won't work for you. Right. If you're that more structured being, then I don't recommend that you just quit your job and go to do list off of that and jump off the cliff. Right. I suggest that you build yourself a parachute, you make some price practice runs before you jump off the cliff. What does that mean? What does that bring it back around? If you hate your job, for example, and you want a different job, keep your job, find a new perspective on the things within that job that you can find enjoyment out of temporarily while you construct over here on the side that that exit plan exit plan and and do it in a strategic way.
SPEAKER_00Which would be a relevant topic.
SPEAKER_03It is relevant to the way you perceive your reality and the belief systems that you work with.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_03Create a plan, baby steps, and do it structured. That way you're not shoving yourself out there in an uncomfortable place and and doing it that way. Some people have to go that route.
SPEAKER_00So later on in this question in this morning, when this guy was interviewing this billionaire, the last thing he said to him was if you were going to give advice to the younger generation to accomplish the things that you have accomplished, what would that be? And he said, just because it's not relevant don't mean that you shouldn't pay attention to it.
SPEAKER_03Which brings us back to the rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03When you get to a place, a certain transcended place, everything relevant, and like but at the same time, nothing is relevant.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_03And what do I mean by that? Relevant means you look at it, you find the pieces that it's trying to guide you and direct you towards doing, but then you release it. You don't sit there and hyper focus on it, worry about it, stress over it. You find the relevance and you move on and let the universe do what it's gonna do. And if it doesn't appear in your reality straight away, right then, that's your human being impatient. Yeah. It may be months before you see the fruit of your labor, it may be days, it may be weeks. That doesn't mean it wasn't relevant. That just means that the energy has to spin down and the other energy comes in and takes its place in the mechanism.
Intuition Vs Strategy
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, that's where he went on this. He's like, just because it's not relevant to you today, you have no idea what relevant decision you're gonna make tomorrow that you may need what you just learned.
SPEAKER_03That's right.
SPEAKER_00And he said, kind of look at it the old, you know, uh, cliche, be careful of the toes you step on today, they could be attached to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow. And it's the same kind of concept thought.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Except you want you have to realize that nothing happens for no reason.
SPEAKER_03That's right.
SPEAKER_00And nothing happens for a reason. But what you have to do is be a student of yourself and your environment and what you want to be, because just because you don't feel like whatever you're hearing, seeing, doing, uh experiencing today is irrelevant, doesn't mean it's not going to be relevant in the world. Somewhere along the way. Somewhere along the way.
SPEAKER_03Well, and if you can't see the relevance in what you're doing now, that usually is a belief system issue.
SPEAKER_00And he said that the so my advice to be uh he said to the younger generation after we went through this explanation was is today, you're probably wondering what's the next decision in my life? Am I happy with my life or am I good, am I good where I am? You know, going through all this daily assumptions of where you want to be and the daily thought processes of where you want to be, or may or maybe you're happy where you are. But just know this that with the proper growth in your life, once you're making relevant decisions, what was relevant yesterday will not be relevant tomorrow.
SPEAKER_03That's right.
SPEAKER_00And so remember, it's all about that one relevant decision.
SPEAKER_03It won't be relevant today what you did yesterday, right? Unless it is relevant for the future. Correct. So there's a little bit of a rabbit hole twist in there because everything is relevant. Whether it's relevant now or not, it's a timing thing.
SPEAKER_00I agree. Well, I think I think what it is, is it's about personal growth. Because uh if you like, I don't know about you, but you and I together for years now have been we veer. You know, we may be thinking we're going down this path, and then next thing you know, Dr. Jenny's off in some decision and we're going off this way. And we're veering off to a different direction, and that is okay. Absolutely, be it but what is to some people would is crazy because it's not relevant to them.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely, because they are not comfortable living that kind of lifestyle, right? They need structure, they need calendars, they need uh control, what they perceive as control in their in their life in order to be able to function, and what we do and how we live can be perceived as loss of control or out of control. And absolutely, I can't live like that. You want me to go do what?
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_03And so it's not and then so it's not relevant because of their belief system.
SPEAKER_00Right. And and that is this is the how you see how this whole topic in my mind has been running. All day. And the I I think the key part that I took from my own personal uh investigation into this was it's about the importance in my life, what's important to me. And if it's important to me, not because what anybody else thinks, but what's important to me that makes it relevant. Now the key that this guy was trying to preach was is make a decision that's outside your comfort zone.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That creates the relevance in the future.
SPEAKER_03If you want change.
SPEAKER_00If you want change.
SPEAKER_03If you want something different.
SPEAKER_00Correct.
SPEAKER_03If you're content and happy, then this podcast probably won't even find you.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_03The question will never even come up of well, am I happy and content? Right. Those that are truly happy and content being where they're at, doing what they're doing, the question will never present itself.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_03Because it's not relevant.
SPEAKER_00Do you remember the very first time that we went to the beach in Florida when we went to Clearwater Beach?
SPEAKER_03Um vaguely.
SPEAKER_00I mean Do you remember the guy that parked beside us that said, Hey, have you ever been to Daytona Beach?
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_03You don't remember that?
SPEAKER_00He's like, Yeah, I like it over here, but I like it much better over there.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00At the moment, that statement was completely irrelevant to me.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_00100% irrelevant. Nowhere did I know or think in my process that Daytona Beach was going to save my life. Or change my life as well.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00Because if it wasn't for us coming to Daytona Beach on vacation, we would have never recognized what was going on in our life.
SPEAKER_03Right, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And and so I'm rather I mean, saving my life is a little dramatic. I didn't mean to say it like that, but it would change my life.
SPEAKER_03We love your drama stories.
SPEAKER_00But you know, and then I think about too, because this well, all this thoughts coming in my head the day after thinking about those relevant changing things.
SPEAKER_03That's a good example of you never know the relevance of something you know, situation that comes across your path.
SPEAKER_00You remember when we were buying Christmas uh decorations for the last place? And that guy just randomly walks up to us.
SPEAKER_03Honey, we have so many clothes. It happens.
SPEAKER_00It's crazy how well I can remember those things. But I can't remember what I did yesterday.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, uh my queen. Well, no.
SPEAKER_00I'm still learning and re-hearling some of the stuff.
SPEAKER_03And if that's relevant, then so be it.
SPEAKER_00He said, Man, what a great life you have.
SPEAKER_03Man, I feel like a woman. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. And he went right in the store and he bought him some heels and lipstick.
SPEAKER_00No, he said, uh, he said, he said, man, what a great life you're living. And I was like, and I was like, huh? And he said, You're bringing out all these Christmas gifts. I assume you just bought a house. I'm like, yeah, 190,000 square foot place, but we didn't buy it. We just run it.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00And uh uh he said, Oh, okay. Well, that'll change soon, and then walk off. Like random. It was just like just a random, irrelevant, but I mean, there you go.
SPEAKER_03There's your sign.
SPEAKER_00There's your sign. But anyway, so that was my relevant conversation I've had with myself today. Was this whole little rabbit hole experience of keep circling back and circling back and I and it it's uh what it what it shows me is the front and the the you know, we they we call it the front end the back end back in the day.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
Seeing Symbols In Daily Life
SPEAKER_00When you're running business, you worry about the front end because it takes care of the back end. In reality, it's just the opposite. It takes care of the back end and the front end changes. But I keep running through the circle.
SPEAKER_03And what is that circle again?
SPEAKER_00Of front end to back end, back end to front.
SPEAKER_03You keep running through the circle.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like the circle of the thought. Like I would I would say, okay, well, this was relevant in my life, but then and I go, well, it's not relevant now. I went through this whole circle all day in my mind about it all morning.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00Of, you know, like us going to get married. It was a relevant day in our life, but it's really not relevant. Because we didn't, you know, to to us marriage is just a piece of paper. It's not a commitment.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's relevant now because I know, right. You got that, don't you? I got a paper that says on page three hundred and ninety-four in the fine print of section eight point two seven.
SPEAKER_00I'm stuck. It's very relevant.
SPEAKER_03Like Chuck.
SPEAKER_00But anyway, so what what it but what it exposed to me was this, and this is I think where the lesson for everybody should be, is my relevant decisions over the years I as I walked through them this morning, are not. The only decisions that are relevant are the ones that you make in the future. And so revelating in those past ones, which I see Dr. Jenny's look, she's gonna go back to this, are the only ones that you should create going forward because everything happens for a reason. And those decisions are all relevant if you make them relevant. And so now Helmets.
SPEAKER_03Even the past ones are relevant because you just said that. But they're not the same as they were getting up to you and he gave you a statement, and at the time you didn't see the relevance in the statement, right? But it circled back around, and it was actually an indicator of where your counsel would be taking you in the near future. That's why I say everything is relevant, and nothing is relevant unless you have the ability to see the relevance of everything that crosses your path and your reality. Everything is a symbol. You create your own reality, and if you're paying attention and you are truly seeking transcendence and guidance, everything is relevant at some point, somewhere, somehow. Even if it doesn't have relevance in the current thing that you're doing, it is something, it is a token that you will use somewhere along the way because it's relevant, it's relevant. Love it. And so your perspective is what sometimes can jam that system up as to helping you identify is it relevant or is it not? And that then comes from a belief system of really believing whether or not you create your own reality or whether you don't, which then changes your viewpoint of how you work through and go through your journey in your reality. When you get to a place where you truly understand that you're creating your own reality by every single relevant decision that you make, you will see that every single thing is relevant either for the current moment or past moment or future moment. And how is that? Because something in the past that happened, which you might have seen at that time based on your growth level, it was irrelevant. But whenever you actually have grown past that layer in your belief system and it's ready to be looked at and addressed by you, and it comes back into your awareness, then that interaction, that moment in time now all of a sudden becomes relevant because it's gonna trigger a uh the memory of that will be brought back into your mind by your counsel, which will then trigger the belief that's ready to come up if you're paying attention. Anchoring. It is uh the it's the subconscious' way of anchoring this belief to an actual lived result so that it can remind you later when this belief, pattern, or program comes back around for evaluation.
SPEAKER_02Right.
Past And Future Relevance
SPEAKER_03Because sometimes whenever they come around for initial evaluation, they being patterns, beliefs, patterns, and programs, you're not necessarily at a point where you're gonna allow yourself to deal with it. Yeah. And if you're not dealing with it, then that relevance will dissipate and you won't understand the relevance at the time. But what it does is it attaches itself to that belief as kind of an anchor so that whenever you are ready to release that, that memory floats back into your mind of that interaction with that individual, and it's attached to something that you're ready to get rid of or ready to release or ready to look at now. Yeah. So it then it becomes relevant at the time it may have felt irrelevant. That's how past relevance live and work. Like it. Future relevance is the reverse of that, basically. You have an experience today, you fail to see the symbology or the relevance. So it means that okay, I can't really decode this one right now because my beliefs, patterns, programs, my subconscious are not ready to look at it because I've got some garbage in the way. When you work on a layer of garbage, what it does is it exposes that next level of belief that's there. You marinate with it because most of us don't just go dive deep into the core seed of getting rid of the root issue. We do it in layers because it's more convenient. We've got jobs to live, we've got life to live. It's not convenient to put life on hold and say, Oh, I do do it. We've got a shitty belief coming up, and it's gonna take me 3.7 days to deal with it because it's very traumatic. I need my children to be on pause, I need my husband to be on pause, the laundry's gonna wait, my job is gonna wait because I need to take a mental health week. Life doesn't look that way. Right. And so we deal with this in layers because it's more convenient to our human life, and and and so things come up bits at a time. Yeah. And what you think is irrelevant in the now becomes relevant in the future because it ties itself to the next layer of the beliefs, patterns, and programs that you'll be ready to deal with coming up when you get rid of this layer and you segregate out another 30 minutes of time in your life, your human life, to deal with the next layer. But to remind yourself of it, you'll take that scenario, circumstance, or event that kind of anchored itself there as a reminder so that it becomes relevant. You see how that mechanism all works? And so that's why relevance of the past and relevance in the future all have a very important job to do in the whole mechanism of things. That's why I looked at you with my little smirk.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I know. Sometimes I bet you but because that's the first thing I thought of is is that they are relevant when this guy was talking about it in the video. And but anyway, anyway. Well, um So there you go.
SPEAKER_03There you go. I hope that was relevant and helpful.
SPEAKER_00I think it was very helpful to a lot of people because a lot of people don't understand the relevance of things.
SPEAKER_03And if you're in that place where you want change, you gotta just do it. This is the reminder clause here. Yeah, you gotta do it based on where your beliefs are and honor that. And if it means you gotta do one baby step at a time, do that one baby step.
SPEAKER_00Just make it relevant.
SPEAKER_03It'll leave it, it'll lead it to the next baby step and the next one and the next one, and before you know it, you'll be at a place where you've created a whole other job that can replace the one that you don't like so much.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_03Or what happens is by you taking the time to find things that you do like about the current job on purpose to find a different frequency until you can do something different, your perspective about your job will change, and you may end up finding that you actually enjoy your job.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Because you've changed the perspective and the energy and the frequency about it.
SPEAKER_00I agree.
SPEAKER_03You just never know what direction it's gonna go for you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_03And that can be not just about job, it can be relationship. But anything, financial can be the relationship with your spouse, or you know, you may be going through a time where you don't really care for your spouse and you don't how to get out of it. No, I'm just trying to address certain life pies situations. If it's about a spouse and you're thinking, Do I leave him? Do I not? I don't like this, and you don't really have the funds or a place to go or whatever your perspective is about it, then you take it in bite-sized pieces.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_03Find things that are positive about the relationship you're in currently, yeah, until you can strategically do something different in the situation. Yeah, it doesn't matter what the situation is.
SPEAKER_00Totally. Totally.
SPEAKER_03Figure out what your strategy is, figure out what your why is, and reevaluate.
SPEAKER_00Totally. I am on the same page.
SPEAKER_03Same page. Did that page get licked?
SPEAKER_00Why would it be licked?
SPEAKER_03Well, because when you said I'm on the same page, I envisioned us as two dimensional beings laying on a page and grandma's reading the book, and she licks her finger to turn the page, and you just happen to be, your head happens to be right where her finger is, and so your hair basically got licked back, and now you have this weird funky licked back hairstyle.
SPEAKER_01That's a rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_00It's a random man.
SPEAKER_03It's not random, it's the rabbit hole lifestyle I live in.
SPEAKER_00That went that went weird all of a sudden.
SPEAKER_03But he let me share with the with the listeners. The funny thing is, you know the first thing when I was telling that story that he did, he reached up and touched the top of his hair.
SPEAKER_00I thought she was trying to tell me my hair was like weird or something.
SPEAKER_03He reached up and touched the top of his hair.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. All right. Anyway, guys, hey uh uh go check out lucidium world.com at www.lucidium world.com. That's our app that's going to be launching any day. And uh check out the new yoga, Jin Dan Yoga, and you can reach it at www.themirchcenters.org forward slash gindan yoga.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and hey, if you're in the Daytona Beach area, we actually do live sessions every Wednesday um at the little park there.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_03And Danielle and I get together and we go do a class every Wednesday.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it won't be long. Jindan Yoga will be in your living room because uh gindanyoga.net is in construction, so you can actually subscribe and she's gonna do daily yoga sessions.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um over via the internet or via Zoom. And you can log right in, and there'll be you'll have uh access to different yoga flows that'll be in there.
SPEAKER_03Yep. That'll be incorporating the meridians with it.
SPEAKER_00That's correct. And uh we're gonna be in ORI at Ozark Research Institution in s in uh Springdale, Arkansas on March 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. At their April. April. April 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Uh to do uh we're we're speaking in their conference. We're actually speaking on the 6th uh in a three-hour session. And uh that's Monday.
SPEAKER_03That's that's a Monday. We got a letter saying we Well, we're we're speaking on Sunday. Nope.
SPEAKER_00That's what she told me on my voicemail.
SPEAKER_03That's not what the letter said. You need to read your mail.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So anyway, so uh she put us out as a keynote uh three-hour session in there, so we'll be teaching there, and you can get those tickets at or i.com.
SPEAKER_03I'll put the link in.
SPEAKER_00It was our researchinstitution.com. They changed it. It's not ORI anymore.
SPEAKER_03Um, I usually put the link down in the description.
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Baby Steps And Exit Plans
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SPEAKER_00That's correct.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because life is life happens. Yeah, life sometimes is sticky.
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