The Spiritual Grind
Dr. Jenni PhD,RN,CHLC,CH and medium and Rev. James ORD, MhsB have spent countless years studying and practicing many modalities within the "Spiritual" domain. Dr. Jenni has dedicated her life to helping others by attending countless schools and developing each of her practices and strategies. Rev. James has studied many modalities and Native American practices and they have Both decided to open their library of knowledge to share this information with everyone in a down to earth style, with hope to assist in making your journey easier and more abundant.
The Spiritual Grind
Decoding Intuition, Monkey Mind, And The First Impulse
Ever wonder if that voice in your head is wisdom or worry? We dig into the inner dialogue that shapes your choices, showing you how to separate a true intuitive nudge from the monkey mind that clings to old beliefs. You’ll learn a simple “energy behind it” check, a journaling habit that builds pattern-recognition, and a worst-case planning exercise that dissolves fear by giving it practical exits.
We break down the psychology with real-world examples: how retail layouts trigger impulse decisions, why some questions appear when you’re uncomfortable, and what to do when sales pressure hijacks your boundaries. We also challenge the myth that the first reaction is always right. If you’re stuck in self-sabotage or victim patterns, knee-jerk responses often mirror past pain, not present truth. Instead, we show you how to create safe conditions to test opportunities—meet in public, bring a friend, ask on-topic questions—and then listen closely to how your body responds.
Along the way, we talk about the cultural noise that confuses decision-making—marketing scripts, outdated workplace programming, and borrowed red flags from other people’s stories. The antidote is a repeatable process: pause, feel, name, note, then act. When the yes is clean, move before doubt piles on. When the no is heavy, examine the belief behind it, solve the worst case, and reassess. This is how intuition becomes reliable: not by silencing your mind, but by training your awareness to recognize each voice and give the mic to the one that’s calm, clear, and aligned.
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Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the Spears of Grind. We are in studio again.
SPEAKER_01:Good morning.
SPEAKER_05:Right. Be knocking on.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Or the what are they called? The EVPs. EVPs, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Embodied voices. Yeah. It would be kind of cool if we caught one while we were doing a recording.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it's kind of hard to tell because uh the audio is so good on these things.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:They're not really broad uh broad spectrum wideness, so it's even you could have somebody in your ear and those mics wouldn't pick it up.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I see, I see. Well, and I guess the uh editing part of it too probably captures something.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I have a lot of the all the white noises removed automatically. But anyway.
SPEAKER_01:Well, so well it makes editing easy, but it's unfortunate that it quite possibly flushes out any amazing EVP. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:It's all in you know, that's I have that all set up to where it automatically does it when you upload.
SPEAKER_01:What's the E stand for? External voice phenomenon.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Phenomenon due to the external voice is it external?
SPEAKER_05:I don't know. Maybe.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:Anyway, you ready for the topic of the day?
SPEAKER_01:You know I am due to.
SPEAKER_05:So this is the topic of the day. The topic of the day is you know, we ha everybody has that little inner voice that we talk to ourselves with.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we've talked about it on other podcasts before.
SPEAKER_05:Yep. And we we have it's been a minute since we talked about it, I think. It's been a while.
SPEAKER_01:Uh no, we talked about it on the last podcast, actually, when we were talking about AI and Oh, yeah, the I guess it was that last podcast?
SPEAKER_05:Huh? Well, I don't know for some reason that was my topic that came up in the shower this morning.
SPEAKER_01:Was the internal voice?
SPEAKER_05:The internal voice. What is it? Is it your subconscious mind? Is it your conscious mind? Is it your higher self? Is the voice changed by if you're working on a belief that you like or you don't like? And and there's many different voices, you know, like we refer to our monkey mind. That's a negative voice in our head that's it that tells us all the bad stuff that could happen.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Or creates those stories that are lies.
SPEAKER_05:Yes. And then you have that voice in your head that says, hmm, that's a great like yesterday or a day before yesterday that happened when we were all talking, and it was like, hmm, that's a great idea. Now that voice, now how do you distinguish that voice? How do you know which voice is which?
SPEAKER_01:Wow, that's a good question. It's a beautiful topic.
SPEAKER_05:It is. It came up in my shower thought. Because I was like, when do you know it's the right voice? Because I have, you know, I just it's for me, it's a feeling.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_05:And and then I have to look at it and say, you know, are my belief systems or prior history creating the negative voice? Or is it my subconscious mind saying, Hey, you might want to look at this. Yeah. There you go, Dr. Denny. Take over from here. It's all yours. You got the floor. I'm gonna sit back here and snore.
SPEAKER_01:Don't snore. It's hard to get that out, especially if I'm talking. That is one of those million-dollar questions.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_01:And it is a trained technique to be able to discern between the two frequencies of information.
SPEAKER_05:Okay. And it is well, there's multiple frequencies in there because there is a conscious mind.
SPEAKER_01:There are multiple frequencies, but whenever you're new and you're just learning, you start small.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Don't try to interpret all of them, especially if you're uh, for example, like highly sensitive and and open and kind of an open channel to where you have multiple audio frequencies coming in and you've not really trained yourself to know what they are or deal with them. It's easier if you take it in bite-sized things, just like everything else we teach.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And so if you're new to it and you're really kind of just being presented with this question, the first one that I would recommend uh identifying on a pretty regular basis would be that monkey mind, one that tries its best to always keep beliefs, patterns, and programs in place because it's fearful of the change. And it's the one that uh usually will stimulate that fear frequency, that uh revenge frequency, that um anger frequency. It usually is coupled with those kinds of heavier emotions. Um, oh, that person did this to me, and so I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna do this to that person, or you know, it made me embarrassed, and so I'm gonna be mad at that person because that uh wasn't right. You know, when you're having those internal dialogues that look kind of like that, that's that monkey mind voice that we talk about.
SPEAKER_05:You know, for me, I identify it by asking myself a question.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:A lot. And that's sometimes the question is what's the energy behind it?
SPEAKER_01:Or yeah, or the feeling.
SPEAKER_05:Like I just like I was just down at the Jeep dealership taking the the gladiator in for uh service to be done because we're having some issues. And um, I was talking to the rental lady, which is the same lady I talked about in the previous podcast, actually. Right. Patrice. And uh she was talking to me, you know, we were just casual conversation like normal as we're going through paperwork, and she was like, Yeah, my gut feeling is telling me that, you know, I I'm gonna I you know, I need to not do this job anymore. And I said, Well, what's that exact gut feeling? What is that? And she said, Well, my you know, that inner voice in your head says, they're gonna eliminate your job. And then so I just flat out ask her, what's the energy behind that in your mind?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:What I mean, what is it? Oh, downsizing or blah blah blah. She's going I said, So what's the energy behind it though? What's so for you to have this in your head, you have to have an energy which creates an emotion, and the emotion, and most of the time that emotion is based off previous history or belief. And so what's the energy behind all that? Well, and I was like, Have you been downsized from a job before? You see what it happened was. I'm like, ah, okay. What happened was that's what I did to her too. She said, When you see what it happened was, and she started saying, I'm like, oh yeah, what happened was and she just laughed. And I said, Well, because you just explained to yourself that this voice in your head is being manipulated by a previous incident.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Which is the negative energy that's behind it.
SPEAKER_01:Right, which is that monkey, what we call that monkey mind dialogue that goes on. That's not a gut feeling, that's not an intuition. No, that's not intuition. Yeah, that's a fear component that's causing the monkey mind to keep you from having to experience history all over again.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:By convincing you to do something different, not because it's aligned, because it's coming from higher self, but because that monkey mind dialogue is actually, it thinks it's there to keep you from experiencing harm.
SPEAKER_05:Right. And sometimes there's a positive behind it.
SPEAKER_01:There is.
SPEAKER_05:Because they don't, if you haven't addressed the belief or the situation that happened, then monkey mind is giving you this story because they don't want you to have to go through it again.
SPEAKER_01:Right. The you know, the monkey mind does have good intention. It's there to want to keep you safe and protected. And doing absolutely nothing physically, mentally, emotionally. That's what it thinks it's trying to do.
SPEAKER_05:Because the monkey mind is lazy. It's the easiest thing for them to do is to keep you in a state of complacency. Complacency and not doing outside the box.
SPEAKER_01:Don't go visit the unknown. It's scary.
SPEAKER_05:Whatever you do, don't take a chance in your life ever.
SPEAKER_01:Don't do it, girl. Don't do it, girl.
SPEAKER_05:And so, you know, that's that was how the conversation was. And I said, you know, here's the best thing you can do. Ask yourself what's the energy behind it, what is the history? What what has happened in the past? And if there's something coming up, then say, okay, if that is going to happen, why? And what are the what's the worst case scenario? I've learned this from Dr. Jenny. Create the worst case scenario that you could make in your head. Oh my god, I have to take care of my son, and and and if I get laid off, then I don't have my income. I'm like, you have unemployment.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_05:You you'll have unemployment.
SPEAKER_01:That's exactly right. You take the worst case scenario, write it down, identify it, whatever it is, yeah. Worst case thing you could possibly come up with, give it a solution.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Or two or three.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it no longer has power.
SPEAKER_05:That's right. And that's what that was the conversation we had while I was sitting there. And and you know, you had and like then we got into, yeah, then if I if I do that, then I can't quit saving saving money to to get the store up. I'm like, I was here like six months ago. You said you were still saving it, don't take that much money to start a store online. And she was like, Well, I figured I need about$15. What happened was And so I was doing my research and and uh and and my research tells me I need about 15 grand so I can market it right and and blah blah blah. She's going through all this stuff. I'm like, you don't. You have the best tool that you can have in your hand right now. And that is AI.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And so remove the what ifs, remove the this societal taught stuff that this inner voice is telling you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And just do it. Because it's your monkey mind and your energy and a fear of failing that's got you held back.
SPEAKER_01:That's right. It's got you jammed up and not taking any steps at all.
SPEAKER_05:So that's what bring up the case. Because she said, Well, how do you know that's which voice is which? And so that's how the whole conversation got brought in. Because when I was in the shower, it's like, how do you teach somebody to identify that voice? Because there are multiple voices and versions of it.
SPEAKER_00:Of course.
SPEAKER_05:You know, you have the gut feeling, you have the intuition, you know, you have the monkey mind, then you have your conscious thought, yeah, then you have your subconscious mind. Right. And then in some people's beliefs, they have the little devil on one shoulder and God on the other.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it can look like a many, many different things, whatever the person has created in their own bubble.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:I think that for uh beginners or novice coming in, the the easiest thing to teach is to ask yourself that question. How does it feel?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:When that story comes across in your inner dialogue, how does it make you feel? Does it make you feel held back? Does it make you feel fearful, worrisome? Like check in with how it makes you feel, find that frequency, find that vibration, yeah, and practice doing that.
SPEAKER_05:Right, and that's what I told her. I said, when you ask yourself a question, you're generally speaking, your very first emotional response is the right one.
SPEAKER_01:That's right.
SPEAKER_05:And like, like for example, if you think about you thought about doing the store, what was your very first emotional reaction? Oh, I was excited about it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So why'd you stop? You know, and because because generally speaking, and you can ask as you can ask as psychologists, anybody that teaches about this topic, uh-huh, that your very first emotional response is the right one.
SPEAKER_01:Right. That's usually the true core authentic response.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, because then there's no before the monkey mind.
SPEAKER_01:The monkey mind kicks in and it starts trying to protect you.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Don't do that, you might fail.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god, what if you fail? Oh my god, oh my god.
SPEAKER_05:And yeah, that's so that's where the the thought came in this morning when I was in the shower. He's like, how do I how do we teach that? And and we teach about this, but we don't specifically teach about this subject.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's been a long time since we've taught about the the inner voices. Yeah, the inner dialogue. We talk about it being there, right? But I think the very first thing to bring to your awareness is when that conversation comes about, stop right there, bring into the awareness. Okay, how do I just like you taught her, just how do it, how does that make me feel?
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And if you're new to the work, uh write it down on something in a journal, in uh uh your phone on the note page, because you cannot remember every single thing that's being brought to every day, right? Until you are many years into practicing this or you have some photogenic memory, you'll forget. And the key to all this is awareness and habit changing.
SPEAKER_05:Right. And this is what I that I want to touch on this minute.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Because, like I told her, I was like, that very first impression and that very first thought is right because then here's a way to kind of give you a modern day or reality thought through it. Is do you know when you check out at Walmart or you check out at Publix, whatever it is, and you go down the aisle and you're standing there waiting to check out, and there's there's something in one of those aisles, you pick it up and you buy it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And she's like, Yeah, we do it, I do it all the time.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, when was the last thing, last thing you bought there? She can't remember. I'm like, okay. So if it was such a negative, would you not remember that impulse? That because that's the reason why retail stores calls though they call those the CTAs or the impulse sections. Is because they're impulse by sections.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:Because people don't think through it. Right. They just grab it because it's last minute, you know, and they'll they'll grab it, and so it's an impulse. Yeah. And so it's that initial first their initial first thought.
SPEAKER_01:Right, because they're distracted on getting through the line, getting in the line, getting checked out. What's the next thing I gotta do when I leave here pre-planning their next steps of the day? So they're distracted. And so when they find something that visually is interesting at those little impulse stations, or you know, oh, you know what, new candy's out. That sounds good. Let me throw that in the basket. Or, oh, I've got a a child or grandchild or myself. I that uh okay, here let me do that. You don't pay attention.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You're not buying it from a wait a minute, is this something I really need and am I gonna utilize it? You just throw it in the basket because it looked shiny.
SPEAKER_05:And it was the first reaction.
SPEAKER_01:That's right.
SPEAKER_05:And that's what and I told her, so how many of those things that are in those aisles that are you have just sitting around not being used?
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know. I don't think I have any. Matter of fact, matter of fact, I got one yesterday and there's a half-eaten roll of uh Rolos. And I was like, see, you're using it. It was an impulse buy. It was your first reaction, you bought it. And so you know why they don't put those out in the middle of the of the grocery store? Because then you have time to think. Right. They don't want you to think, they want you to react, have impulse.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_05:And that's what your conscious, health of the conscious mind wants you to do. Because if those rollos are sitting out in the middle of the thing and not in a great big bag, you know, with just a single roll, nobody's gonna buy them. Because then they know they're gonna buy it right there. And so all that little monkey mind stuff starts coming into play. If you buy it now, you're gonna eat it now, and then it's gonna ruin your supper. Or why would I buy the small one when you get the big bag? Or, you know, all the negative stuff comes into play.
SPEAKER_01:I really need all that chocolate and sugar. Right, and what's it gonna do to my diet? And I don't need the extra calories, or right.
SPEAKER_05:Right. And so, and so that's what the whole kind of conversation went into was that kind of like a grocery store scenario for some reason. And I was like, Why do you think all the good stuff is on the outside?
SPEAKER_01:And what did she say?
SPEAKER_05:She's like, What do you mean all the good stuff?
SPEAKER_01:Say more.
SPEAKER_05:I said, Well, all the good stuff is on the outside of the stores. You have the produce right in the beginning when you come in because it's fresh, it's new, smells good.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And then the proteins are always wrapped around the outside of the canned goods around a grocery store. And she's and she looks at me, she's like, Huh.
SPEAKER_01:And then you usually will have the cheeses, the milks, that's right, the fresh stuff that's perishable. That makes a whole big circle.
SPEAKER_05:And I said, So why do you think that they put it there? And she was like, I don't know. I didn't re ever really even notice. Yeah. I said they put it there, and you did it because I mean, you don't notice it because to you it feels normal.
SPEAKER_01:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_05:But I can tell you back in the day, I remember when you would walk into a grocery store and the first thing you walk through was the canned goods.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because they were all stacked in some organization. And a big display, especially if they were the one uh the item that was on sale. Del Monte, green beans, yelly green giant.
SPEAKER_05:Right. Would be right there in front of you when you walk in.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_05:And so I said, So think through your own processes. Why do you think that this all the canned goods and all the processed foods are in the middle? And then the the coolers now have now been all moved to the outside, and the freezer's are actually in aisles. And she said, Well, you know, I was like, I don't know. I and she goes, Well, I always buy my freezer stuff last. You're right. That's a that's your you're exactly right. Now, why would you do that? You know, why why what part of your mindset would think the last thing that I'm gonna buy is freezer? Oh, I don't want it to thaw out before I get home. You're right. And so if you were if they put that freezer section a minute you walked in, which would be your monkey mind, you wouldn't buy anything because you'd be afraid during your shopping that all of your freezer stuff would be thawed out before you got home. That's the monkey mind thought. Because the reality is is that food as long as it doesn't drop below thirty two degrees or warmer than thirty-two degrees which on average takes six hours from a frozen point to thirty-two degrees is six hours. And that I know that because I said that's your monkey mind making up things. That's the monkey mind thought process that comes in after you walk in or after you do things in your life. Is that simple thought of my frozen foods are going to be thawed out before I get home. And because of that, you buy those fancy freezer bags that absolutely do nothing.
SPEAKER_01:But what made the store design it that way? Because all they're all pretty much designed that way.
SPEAKER_05:Well, yeah, the you well, you can thank Walmart for doing that. When they first started doing big groceries, they're the ones that came out and changed the grocery store layouts because they studied it and all this other stuff. And the reason why is the thought processes that we're actually identifying right now.
SPEAKER_01:Is that traditionally people go to like the back of the store, come down the middle aisle first.
SPEAKER_05:Well, that came from a 1940s study or something when people actually had ice boxes.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:Because, you know, you would when you would reach in and get your items out of a grocery store back then, you would either get your meats from a life butcher.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Or it would come from a freezing section inside of a literally a dry ice box.
SPEAKER_00:I see.
SPEAKER_05:And so and they would always tell you because dry ice doesn't hard freeze food.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right.
SPEAKER_05:Unless you leave it in there for a number like days.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And so then they would so that's how started it was that would be the last thing they would buy. But so then, you know, the the others to part of that is is the conscious mindset.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:Is the grocery stores used to put all the canned food as soon as you walk in because they consciously think to themselves, and it doesn't make any sense that they can buy this canned food and it's going to be good in three years from now. Because it's got shelf stable food.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:And so they would buy it because it's safe to buy. And so that's why they would as soon as you walked in, all the canned foods is right there.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:Because there that was back then was the impulse buy because they will last forever because you're coming off the depression and the war.
SPEAKER_01:I see.
SPEAKER_05:And so all that all this has been trained thought over the years. And so that's how even retailers and all these people use this actual concept of the different minds, the voices in your head talking to you to sell things to you. And so, but the and and why we got into this conversation, her and I, I have no idea about the grocery store, but I thought it was a great analogy for her to understand. I think it was just given to me.
SPEAKER_01:It was probably the way she could understand the information.
SPEAKER_05:Because I'm not putting the pieces together yet in my own mind, but Okay, so as we were I I mean, I I sat there for 45 minutes, we were waiting on the service guy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I get it.
SPEAKER_05:And so the the whole conversation and it ended up going full circle. But even still, I I when I walked away from the conversation, I was like, I don't know if she understood that. She did, but she didn't. The real depth of it, I think on the surface, she understood what I was saying.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:Because that voice in your head in that moment and that initial response is always the right voice to listen to on something that's positive. So if you were to uh the impulse buy buys that because and you can't even identify it because it's never a thought. You just do it.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I I see where you're going with it. I don't necessarily agree that that that initial impulse thought is. That's for you, Nani. Right.
SPEAKER_05:This is this is sorry, yesterday somebody one of our listeners said she's always correcting you. And I think she enjoys it.
SPEAKER_01:No, it's just us with our two different perspectives agreeing to disagree with that. No, no, it's fine. I don't necessarily agree with that um perspective on the very first knee-jerk response is the correct one. Because it it depends on where you're at in your journey. If you're still living in a victimhood template or a self-sopotage template, your knee-jerk reaction could quite well be to do something, especially if you've not identified that monkey mind voice versus that and their voice of higher self. If you've not taken the time to really study those and you've got that confused, then and you're reacting instead of actually responding after contemplation, then you'll respond from a trauma drama place and create more of what you're getting. Correct. And that and that knee-jerk response doesn't always prove to be the most accurate response for some people, depending on what their perspective is and what template they're working from.
SPEAKER_05:Right. So in and so uh this section I'd like to actually touch about a little bit.
SPEAKER_01:Sure.
SPEAKER_05:There's a study out there called the Watson Riley Study.
SPEAKER_01:Watson Riley Riley Study.
SPEAKER_05:It's a sales strategy thing from years ago. Their theory is that anytime somebody is negative or uncomfortable with something, they will immediately respond with a question.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:So for example, you say, Are you ready to buy the car today? And you're like, Oh, you know, you get that inner energy like, ooh, he just put the you know, he just put me under the gun. And then instead of saying, Oh, that was harsh under the gun, they say, Well, well, what do you mean by that? Why do you why I mean, or they go into a question, and our subconscious mind, when we're dealing with a negative thought process or a negative history previous or a negative belief, you will automatically do that to delay conscious thought of answering. That's their theory.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh I I see where that theory is beneficial because uh subconsciously you're looking for more data and more input before you make that decision.
SPEAKER_05:It puts you in an un what they say is it puts you in an uncomfortable spot and you're buying yourself conscious time. By answering by asking a question.
SPEAKER_01:It can, for sure, but it can also be revealing that you don't feel like you have enough information or data to answer the question. So therefore, you're asking questions for more data so that you can make an intellectual decision and uh committed response.
SPEAKER_05:You know, and according to their to the study that I read, I mean I read this years ago, I don't even know if it's still around, but the they would say that that those that are really engaged will actually do a sub a question that's on topic. So that means that instead of saying something stupid like when you get are you ready to buy today, they have that pressure, that uncomfortableness, and then they snipe with it with a question with a stupid question. You know, that's not even on topic really. They'll have a question that just deters conscious thought.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I don't know. Is it supposed to rain?
SPEAKER_05:Right. Well, you know, or or or or I mean, can we do can you do the paperwork? It's something that's way off topic. It doesn't it's not in line with the subject.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:And then they they also say that if it's if they're engaged but not ready and don't have enough information, they will respond with a question to deny to delay conscious thought. But it's on topic. And so, yeah, oh yeah. I mean, the the like for example, well, you're ready to buy today. Well, what's my percentage rate? That's an on topic line.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, it instead of responding with, oh, well, I wanna I want to look at this other car first. Can we go look at that? That's off topic. They've already picked a car and he's now the salesman's asking them to sell. And so that's an op top an off-topic question. And so that's an uncomfortableness that they're not really engaged in it. But the other question, or the another response, is an inline question that delays conscious thought. And so that's the question that I'm getting at. That's where this all t uh, dang, I wish I'd have thought of this when I was there. I just talked myself right into it. That's how you tie the thought process of what's the worst case scenario? That's an inline question. Bam. That's what I should have said. You gotta ask yourself that question. What's the worst case scenario? And that's an inline question with what the topic is.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it can be. But if you, for example, and we're gonna take the car thing for an example. If if you feel like your budget is not at a place where you can afford right now to have that car, and you go up and you visit the car lot, and you are you know, touching it, feeling it, smelling it, collecting data of okay, what's the licking doorknobs? What right? Yeah, one of your favorite things to to own it is to lick it in various places. So you guys buyer beware when you're out there.
SPEAKER_05:There could be a couple of fancy sports cars out there that have been licked on the door handle.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god, so gross. You're gonna have so many people out there wanting to wipe your hand sanitize the doorknob before they freaking open it. You just never know where James has been. Yep, never know. So if you're using it as a realistic vision board and you go, you know that you're you're not there to make the purchase, but you don't want to be embarrassed or look silly because you're wrapped up in steal what they think of you, or you don't want to just say to the person, listen, I want to own the car. I just financially am not at a place where I can do that yet, or give myself permission to do that. I just came in to touch it, smell it, taste it, and all of that. Because that kind of conversation will put you in that, oh my god, I'm kind of weird category.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And when you've got a salesman barking down your collar, that's not a conversation people generally are comfortable having because they find it embarrassing.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah, I do. I agree.
SPEAKER_01:So by asking a question, it's sometimes can be you trying to avoid further embarrassment. And so you'll find that asking a question gives you an outlet.
SPEAKER_04:Agreed.
SPEAKER_01:Um, well, what is right uh what what what does the 2025 look like? Can I look at that first?
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:And that's you buying time, yes. I agree with, so that you can devise that plan of having your friend call as your husband needing you to come home straight away and you have an emergency exit plan.
SPEAKER_05:That sounds like you've said done that before.
SPEAKER_01:No, I'm taking it off of a movie. Oh, and so that you don't have to give the person the truth, which your monkey mind has judged as this is gonna make you sound really stupid, and this guy's not gonna take that on and not appreciate you tire kicking. So you've got to come up with a better way to it's escape plan, emergency, emergency, emergency, emergency. So I partially do agree with you, but then uh sometimes you go in and you have every intention to buy the car, and you don't yet have enough data to make a true informed purchase because you want to know, yeah, I'm gonna buy the car as long as we can come to terms on the interest rate or the retail value of the vehicle and what you're actually gonna sell it for, or what what whatever those components are. So the question comes out of, okay, sure, I'm I'm committed to buy, but what is my interest rate? Right. And so some of those questions will come out of that perspective. Yeah, some of them will come out of a perspective of buying time, which I agree with, but you can also have them come from n needing more knowledge about making the deal and negotiating the deal.
SPEAKER_05:You know, and and you know, when it comes to the internal thoughts or those voices that are in our head, it can be very confusing. And and and you have the conscious mind that is being confused constantly. Yeah. And like like I would like I was telling her earlier, is it's easy to be confused, and let me tell you why. You have car, you have you just sit in front of the TV for an hour, and how many times have you been told different directions to do things? Like, for example, you'll see a car commercial for buying a car, it's on sale, and it's it's MSRP, it's down five thousand dollars off this weekend, you know, and so you think, oh, it's inspiring you to buy a car. And then on then you have you you have a a church group that comes on TV and tells you not to overspend and overuse credit w because they wouldn't and and then on Sunday they ask you to to pay their tithes. You know, there's many different things. Be healthy, have good food. The next commercial talks about some kind of prescription drug. So you're being yo-yoed constantly and becoming, and that confuses your conscious mind as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because those are designed to trigger emotion.
SPEAKER_05:That's right. That's what they're there for.
SPEAKER_01:You know, in the marketing world, I believe I've heard many times if you can activate some emotion inside that person, then they become a customer more easy. I teach it. Right, exactly. Um, and so yeah, it can be very easy to become emotionally charged and confused um in all of that.
SPEAKER_05:And it doesn't matter, like in the in in the sales world, it doesn't matter what emotion it brings up.
SPEAKER_01:Especially if you're still in that place of caring what other people think. Right. Especially if you're there. Um, you know, because if you if you go to town and somebody's trying to like this just happened to us the other day at Walmart, and it's a very I see it all the time. You go into Walmart and you've got that little phone person that wants to sell you their phone plan, and they will not give up. Oh my god, they are relentless. You're trying to get emotion in there, they literally will chase you down the aisle even if you say no. So we walk by and this sweet little girl trying, she was new, I think. But she wasn't new, she was trying to get our attention and trying to get us just to give her a moment of our time so she could do her cell pitch. And the minute she started at us, I was the one closest to her because I have no qualms about saying nope, no, thank you. Not interested. But she kept on.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And then you engaged with her and said, Um, we already have spectrum or something. Yeah, but she's still whatever. Whatever you said to her, that was kind of like, okay, he's gonna give me the open door access. So she then started following after us, but but uh but but but and I was like, no, thank you. And you were like, nope, we're good, we already have it, whatever, whatever it was.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, she's not new, she just don't nobody's been trained her at a sell. That's the key.
SPEAKER_01:But nonetheless, that's not the point of the story. The point of the story is you go into places in your world, and instead of being able to tell that person, no, no, thank you, you don't want to seem rude, you don't want to seem um negative because you've logged that response as rude or negative, you'll sit there and you'll listen to the sales pitch. And then inadvertently, what ends up happening is they convince you to purchase or buy into the concept because you don't want to appear to be rude or whatever. That's a trap that can happen in the confusion state as well.
SPEAKER_04:Yep. Agreed.
SPEAKER_01:Especially if you're worried about what other people think of your interaction with your reality, with your right, with your day.
SPEAKER_05:That's correct. And so and to kind of because this kind of marries together, because what you just described to me was learning to identify your conscious voice.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And but in the process of that is it also identifies something else that all kind of ties together a little bit. Was the salesman, you know, I teach this, is when you get an emotion out of somebody, when you're in the process of a sales process and you get an emotion out of them, no matter what it is, that is your identifier.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:If they're if they go mad, like say if you're a car salesman and and you bring up their car, oh I'm so tired of this car, or you know, or whatever, now you've brought now you've learned their emotion is telling you where to go next.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. If true.
SPEAKER_05:You become the hero and get them a new car. Or if they if you're um you bring up, say you bring up uh your the payment, and that it makes them angry because their payment was supposed to be a hundred dollars less on the last car they bought.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:And now you put yourself into a spot of oh, I'm gonna be the financial guider through this.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So let's identify, and so that emotion identifies the next process of the sales process to the salesman.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:And your internal voices do the same thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:But and so, like, for example, if you're you're you know, you brought up the car shopping thing. If you're there and when you go to walk in and you have this, oh my god, what everybody's gonna be watching me, you know, everybody and I'm just looking at cars, and but I'm not gonna say I'm just looking because I want to build energy because I'm using it as an active vision board.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:You know, because because of that conscious thought is gonna create that uncomfortable feeling, which is the emotion. And so the salesman reading that is gonna, if the uh they're gonna come up, introduce themselves, and because of your subconscious mind of the feeling behind it, you're not gonna just gonna come out and say, I'm just here creating a actual vision board or a real life vision board, and 'cause I'm I'm gonna buy this car, I'm just not gonna buy it today because I can't afford it yet. Instead of doing that, us as humans, we protect ourselves.
SPEAKER_00:Mm hmm.
SPEAKER_05:And that emotion is what the salesman pick up on.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:And now so that's why they That whole interaction becomes uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. And that whole interaction then ends up being a depowerment. Yes. That's a ginism. It's a genism. And let me explain.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:On the consumer side, you going in, creating the visual board and feeling like you're gonna be hackled at because you're creating a vision board and you're saying, you know what? Listen, listen, guy, I'm not ready to purchase. Back up. I'm just creating a real life vision board. I just want to touch it, smell it, whatever.
SPEAKER_05:Taste it, but don't like it.
SPEAKER_01:The you're pretending and that energy gets read incorrectly, then you've given that power to them.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:So then they're like, okay, well, what keeps you from wanting to buy it today? Well, I can't my budget won't allow me. Oh. Well, guess what?
SPEAKER_05:Well, they're on sale$500,000 off the MSRP.
SPEAKER_01:And I can get you financed. And so if I can get you a$50 a month car payment, does that fit into your budget? And then you're trapped. Then you're sucking. I'm just doing worst case scenario to get my point across.
SPEAKER_05:Right. No, I understand.
SPEAKER_01:You've given your power to them because you didn't tell a truth because you monkey mind said it's better to do this and instead of being embarrassed.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:So you basically handed your power card over to the salesperson. So now you have to deal with more hackling. You've got to deal with, you finally have to come to terms with, listen, I'm not ready to buy yet. Because you stop.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, I'm sorry, I got a family emergency, I gotta go.
SPEAKER_01:That's right. Because if you don't stop the madness, next thing you know, you're in their office, they're like, okay, well, you know what? Let's just run your stuff and let's work up some numbers and let's just see where we are. And you're too embarrassed to say no and stop the trajectory of the train.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Then the Wayne train, then you drink it.
SPEAKER_05:Wow. That's a wow. That brings back a whole old memory. Yeah. I haven't thought about the Wayne train in a minute.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Then you've basically said, okay, you know what? Here's my satchel full of power.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And now you feel like he you're being hackled into making a decision you're not ready to make.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And so at some point in all that interaction, you've got to regain control and power over your own power and and stand up and say, No, I'm not ready to buy. And period, end of sentence, stop the madness.
SPEAKER_05:Right. And and that's that's you're you're giving a prime example of controlling the inner voice. Because that's what you're identifying in a real realistic way to where the conscious mind is doing the work.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because if it just keeps making you feel worse and worse and yuckier and yuckier, then you know you're not in the right place. Right. That is monkey mind voice, and it keeps just creating another layer and another layer and another layer. So ultimately coming to the realization that the first question to ask straight out of the gate, how does this feel?
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:What is my emotional guidance system telling me? Right. When that statement was made in my inner dialogue head, what did it first make me feel like? Right. Did it make me feel yucky? Did it make me feel good? And then from there you get to decide and discern what is your next step, what is what is the next thing you're gonna do.
SPEAKER_05:Right. And that's what uh you know, in that same study in the Watson Riley study, is that they talk about how that first impression and that first response is generally the right one because if you had any negative history with it, the then the initials response is not gonna be that positive.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it can be or it can not be.
SPEAKER_04:I agree.
SPEAKER_01:And the trip-up point is if you've not practiced identifying monkey mind versus intuitive voice, when you are given a real life next action step, you won't be able to identify it as that, especially if you're in a victim self-sabotage steel uh template, you won't even be able to identify the next action step that you are supposed to take because you'll inadvertently still be trying to sabotage yourself, right? So there's there are some trip-up points that go rabbit hole, carrot sandwich much deeper than that. But on the surface, you know, especially in the in the business world, I know they teach that if you're trying to make a big decision, you just go with that first knee-jerk response, and that's always the right one. But in my area of expertise and what I do, sometimes that's not always the right one.
SPEAKER_05:Right. And so, you know, I have sat through many, many, many war rooms of doing, you know, strategic planning and and guiding and for developing business. And I have sat in the middle of many of those conversations with hundreds and hundreds of people. And it always seems, as crazy as it may seem, that I can remember that it always seems to fall on the very first idea that came out.
SPEAKER_01:And that in that scenario, yes. And that's a good premise to go on, but I'll give you a scenario.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, please do.
SPEAKER_01:And uh, we love you so much, Danielle.
SPEAKER_05:Um you're gonna bring her up.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna use her as an example. Okay, she's okay with it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh so you know, when you went in the other day to get your hair cut, we were casually talking about um her career choices, and she was given an opportunity. Uh uh a gentleman crossed her path and said, uh, they got to talking about yoga or whatever, and he said, I have a space you can use during the day, and was willing to let her utilize the space for her own yoga classes, and her knee-jerk response was her monkey mind saying, I don't know this man from Adam. I don't what's the drink? I'm not doing it. What's what's the what's the uh writing catch? What's the the fine print, so to speak? So she was on guard. And that that's because in her physical awareness and in her construct right now, she's not given herself permission to become the yoga instructor full-time that she truly desires to be. And so when an opportunity did present itself that could have very well been a viable opportunity, she had a very closed and conservative perspective about it and didn't even let herself go and um you know, put together a meeting with this guy and ask more questions or explore it further. She was just like, Oh no, there's weird energy there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it's not an opportunity, and you know, what if, what if, what if. That's all monkey mind. There, she didn't even allow herself to schedule a meeting in a safe place. The weird energy she was feeling was not his, it was her own.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It was her own energy of not giving herself permission to have this thing that she subconsciously thinks is not something that she can have yet. Yeah, she hasn't given herself permission to have it without being in the uh shadows of somebody else that already has it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and see that and that's the crazy part about it, is how complex those voices are.
SPEAKER_01:So that knee-jerk reaction was not a healthy knee-jerk reaction in that scenario that I've provided.
SPEAKER_04:I agree.
SPEAKER_01:And so sometimes there's gotta be some inner work done so that you can even see the opportunities that are being presented to you and realize what the next action step would be. You know, so in that scenario, realizing, okay, you know what, my first interpretation was uh this feels weird and unusual, but I'm gonna flag it as it's not safe because I don't know the person, rather than saying, mm, wait a minute, this could be a viable opportunity. And even if what comes up is the monkey mind saying, okay, this is a male, I'm a female, I want to meet with this individual, I want to find out more, but let's do it in a strategical manner. Let me take someone with me. Let's meet in a public place and actually have a business meeting. Let me ask the questions I need to ask, get to know this individual. Instead of having that kind of constructive conversation with herself and acting upon the opportunity possibility, she immediately shut it down and said, mm-mm, the energy was weird. Maybe I'll look at it, maybe whatever. And in that scenario, her knee-jerk response was not the best response because she closed herself off to potential possibilities.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that's what I was getting to earlier was in that Watson Riley study, that's what they talk about is if it's a negative gen uh knee-jerk response, that is attached to some kind of a negative history or belief or something behind it.
SPEAKER_01:Within yourself that's having the response.
SPEAKER_05:Because if it's a happy quick response, that's generally the right perfect because it's a good happy spot, and you don't have any negative beliefs or anything behind it, and that knee-jerk response is almost always the right one. And then if there's something that you need to look at, you're not gonna get like mad and upset about it, you know, or a bit bothered by it, or come up with these monkey mind responses, you're gonna be you're gonna ask more questions. This nature, this naturally. You're gonna say, Oh, so like like for this example you have, it's instead of you know her having that knee-jerk response because there's some kind of a negative belief behind it. You know, like the other day when we during yesterday when we talked about our stuff, she was all excited about it immediately.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Because she didn't have any negative responses.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And on this guy, there's negative responses, that means there's some kind of history within her. Right. And then if it's something that you need to look at, you're gonna have logical questions to ask.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:That's what they're saying, and that's what and that's what we teach too. And that's how you identify those voices on the end in the those internal voices is by asking by looking at those things. So if there's something that comes into your reality and a voice, and if it's a logical question that you would bring that comes to your mind, then logically ask the question. But if it's a negative response, you need to stop and say, wait a minute, what am I logically ask what question? Whatever it is, if something, whatever that comes up. So I see if something comes up and it and you're not you don't you're not upset about it, but you're not unhappy about it, all you do is have questions and then there's something that you need to look at or ask more questions about because you're either A, you're interested and you want to know more about it, or B, there's something you look at within you.
SPEAKER_01:I see.
SPEAKER_05:And on the last, on the if they say there's any kind of a negative response, they actually teach to go ahead and continue with the motion because it's going to come up to them that it's something on them.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And that's where a lot of people get confused with those inner voices.
SPEAKER_01:Something on them, meaning it's something on the customer. Yeah, something that they need to look at.
SPEAKER_05:It's not the salesperson's fault. It's their there's some kind of they've had some kind of a negative history or whatever. And I think it's a it's a very good example on how to handle the internal voices. And if you have a you know, just a knee-jerk response or wait a minute, uh, you produce have that knee-jerk response that's happy and feel good, then that's probably the right answer.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Then just do it. Right. Don't be scared, don't let your monkey mind come in.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:Don't let your subconscious mind come in. You look and definitely don't go talking to everybody about it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Because, you know, then now you're not only taking your internal voices, you're taking all theirs as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's right.
SPEAKER_05:That's that's definitely right.
SPEAKER_01:We always say when you have an idea, you know, keep it to yourself for a little while.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:And marinate with it, especially if you're trying to make a decision on whether to act on it.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Because the last thing you need is a bunch of outsider naysayers or uh people coming out.
SPEAKER_05:You don't want all their history coming into your your decision making.
SPEAKER_01:Telling their red flags about their personal experiences with a similar situation. You don't need all that garbage.
SPEAKER_05:And that is the number one deterrent of of sexual business, by the way.
SPEAKER_01:Is people that external involvement.
SPEAKER_05:They they ask the wrong people.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:You know, they'll bring like a prime example is the gentleman that we used to work with years ago.
SPEAKER_00:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_05:That would go ask the wrong people questions.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_05:And get all the negative and all the red flags and everything that they could possibly give them because of their history and their beliefs.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And then he would make a decision.
SPEAKER_05:And then he would view them as expert decisions, as expert, you know, witnesses.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And then wonder why his reality keeps looking the same.
SPEAKER_05:Same way. And you keep going to the same experts. Right. Exactly. And so that's what the point. And so that's why, you know, uh I went to a seminar here many years ago about this same business decision making purpose, which I've used it in my personal life for many, many years.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, do too.
SPEAKER_05:And that is if I have a logical question about something, no matter what, I go to somebody smarter than me that is an expert in that field. Because you can pick up the phone. So you have a legal advice, or nowadays we have AI. You can pick up the phone and ask.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And AI is going to give you generalized cross-through, you know, how it's coded questions.
SPEAKER_01:Especially if you give it a command that you want it to become I want you to become the best attorney in the world. The best analyst in the world. Go out, collect the information.
SPEAKER_05:Put on that hat and let me know when you're ready.
SPEAKER_01:That's right.
SPEAKER_05:And and that's where we we as human society get confused in life about a lot of things. You have the marketing that's wrong, you're bad. You have, you know, you you're not been taught the proper way. And it's the number one holder of success, by the way, is that internal voice. It keeps you from being successful because you do not know how to listen to them properly.
SPEAKER_01:Right. I mean, yeah, that that's right.
SPEAKER_05:You know, because not once in my life.
SPEAKER_01:If you think about it, you know, way back when the whole the whole goal for the collective primarily was to get that person programmed to be a factory worker, long-time employee type concept for the business owner because it made sense. So they sold the whole, you know, be okay with just standing in one place being a factory worker because you're gonna get your pension when you've worked with us for a hundred and fifty two thousand years and you get to retire and you'll have a good pension. And that's how it was programmed because it was a better uh construct for the business owner. No turnover, longevity, all of that. Not because it was the best thing for the person. And so we were taught over time to ignore the intuitive side or that creative side that says, I really don't like standing here all day shutting these lids and taping them together. I would really like to explore doing something.
SPEAKER_05:590,000 a day. Doing the same because I could not do that. I could not live in I could not live in that world.
SPEAKER_01:Six hundred and ninety-two years later. Right, you know, here's the I get my pension and can retire, but I'm too old to enjoy it because I'm a hundred and ten years old and I can't walk anymore.
SPEAKER_05:Did you know that many years ago during the Reagan found uh administration, he actually stopped the law where actually the government paid through grants people to reimburse their commercials.
SPEAKER_01:What what is that?
SPEAKER_05:What does that have to do with the So it used to be back when television first got live and stuff, yeah, that the government wanted the the employers to buy spots so it could grow the televisions.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:Grow televisions and the in the spots, and it caused, you know, it they're they're having them expand the television network through giving businesses grants to reimburse themselves from to advertise on television.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so the business goes, they pay for their commercial spot, they run their commercial, but then they get that money back from the government through a grant. Through a grant, and that went on. So that more businesses would go on and do commercials to grow the television experience.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, and you know that that that bill and that grant was under a tax grant because it teaches it taught people to like what they were seeing on TV, stay an employee for a long time, sell more cars, and so everything went back to to taxes.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I see. Behind the scenes taxes were being used to develop this grant.
SPEAKER_05:And the reason why I did it is because they realized that they got more money back than they were putting out in the grants. So, like if you had a Chevy dealership at Chevy did Chevy commercial to buy Chevrolets, the government gets the employee tax, the business tax, the sales tax. You know, think really think about that. The consumer taxes.
SPEAKER_01:So the grant was small compared to what they got in return, the up uh the upsells.
SPEAKER_05:Right, and what they did.
SPEAKER_01:The increase of people buying the sales because of the commercial and the taxes on all those different aspects.
SPEAKER_05:That's right. And the reason why I brought that up is because it's the manipulation of your internal minds as well. Used to be completely government funded. And that's what you gotta realize. You should have logical thought processes, and the people have a tendency to not take chances because of negatives, never positive. Never, never once can I look at you dad in the eye and say that I went and did something, I went and learned the scuba dive and and dive with the sharks in Hawaii. But yet I had a negative thought process about it.
SPEAKER_01:Right, exactly. Now I can tell you that there were some healthy um reservations around the unknown. Yeah, but they didn't consume me. Right. You know, like with Which is a very good example.
SPEAKER_04:Good.
SPEAKER_01:There there were moments in it where I was like, oh yikes. I gotta go underwater and trust this thing in my mouth that I'm not gonna take in a lung full of water and uh that I think it's a little bit more than a little bit. It wasn't fear, it was just very heavy concern.
SPEAKER_05:But anyway, so to kind of tie this all together is to make you guys understand that the internal voices are there for a reason. If you have a in anything that you're doing in your life, not saying you're gonna do it now, but if you have something that comes up and you have your knee-jerk response is happy, feel good, it's generally gonna be ninety-three percent of the time or ninety-four percent of the time is what that study was, the right decision.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Now, if you have something negative, if it's a negative knee-jerk response, then you have history with that subject.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And you should look at it and then look at it, and then go back and retouch on that same topic.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And so the the ruling here today is if you're trying to decide between an intuitive thought and a monkey mind thought, go back to the place of how does it make you feel?
SPEAKER_05:The energy behind it, correct.
SPEAKER_01:And check in with that.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, I agree. 100%. Yep. I feel complete. Very good. Well, anyway, guys, hey, uh, thank you all for listening today. If you'd like the chance to really do something cool, like follow and share us on uh Instagram, on Facebook, and on any of the podcasts, share the podcast with other people. Um you can look up the website at www.themerccenters.org. And you know how to spell it by now if you don't listen. If you're new to listening, go back and look at another one you'll hear me spell it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I'm trying to put it in the description everyone's.
SPEAKER_05:It's in the description too. And also you can check out the new app that's gonna be rolling out that I just got told today the next upgrade's gonna be the beta. Um, then the new rollout to our test flight. Yeah. It's gonna be the beta.
SPEAKER_01:We're just days away from going into beta, so we're waiting with beta breath.
SPEAKER_05:That was a terrible joke.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, it was perfectly beautiful. I loved it. It tickled my fancy.
SPEAKER_05:www.lucidiumworld.com. And all you gotta do is Google search Lucidium World. It's gonna pop up because it's everywhere. Um, also, coming up soon is Jenny and I. Dr. Jenny and I are going to be interviewed for Brains magazine.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, very exciting. We're uh Because we're brains. We're excited about that.
SPEAKER_05:We're smarters. We're we're more martyrs than everybody else.
SPEAKER_01:We're martyr and martyr.
SPEAKER_05:We're martyr and martyr.
SPEAKER_01:That's because we Martys all the time.
SPEAKER_05:Anyway, guys, be paying attention to that, and you'll we'll we'll definitely feed it into our website and into all the blogs and stuff. And don't forget to check out Jenny's blog at do the edge and back on Blogger with Dr. Jenny. And uh, and then my book just dropped.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Unlocked from Prison to Purpose and 30 Day Challenge. It's on available on Amazon right now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And so I got the email that my first uh edition of the series children's book has been dropped as well.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, it dropped. Oh, you did get it. Yeah, I was wondering if you're ready to go. So because I submitted that what, two days ago?
SPEAKER_01:Uh I don't know. But it's a very good work.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, look at all the stuff I'm just happening because of what I do.
SPEAKER_01:I know, right? You're busy as a beaver. But yeah, my uh first book on the children's series is uh dropped and ready to go, you guys.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that's cool. And uh we are live in person speaking at Ozark Research Institute April third, fourth, fifth, and fourth, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth in uh Fayetteville, Arkansas.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:At the Hilton Grand. Yeah, we'll be uh we are the live, we close out the show on with the three-hour lecture keynote speaker for their annual power of thought school.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Um Jenny and I will be teaching about the power of beliefs, and we may throw in a little side twist in there, so be tuned into that. And if you want tickets to that, you can get those at www.ori.org. And uh that is ozarkresearchinstitution.org.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, very good.
SPEAKER_05:And those those are on sale now. I looked at them yesterday. All those tickets are on sale.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I'll try to put all that in the uh description thing, all those little links.
SPEAKER_05:Right, and it looks like we may be the next week in Springfield, Missouri. We'll see what happens.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:But anyway, because we're gonna start hitting the convention tour now.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Because we're getting ready to roll the app, and so we'll be putting it out. And don't forget, I will be available for aura readings, and Dr. Jenny will be available for sessions as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_05:And uh, we look forward to seeing you. Thank you all for listening, and we hope you all have one awesome day.
SPEAKER_01:Love ya, and then we're gonna be able to
