The Spiritual Grind
Dr. Jenni PhD,RN,CHLC,CH and medium and Rev. James ORD, MhsB have spent countless years studying and practicing many modalities within the "Spiritual" domain. Dr. Jenni has dedicated her life to helping others by attending countless schools and developing each of her practices and strategies. Rev. James has studied many modalities and Native American practices and they have Both decided to open their library of knowledge to share this information with everyone in a down to earth style, with hope to assist in making your journey easier and more abundant.
The Spiritual Grind
Monopoly, Gecko Tails, And The Art Of Not Growing Up
What if the fastest way to heal your mood is to act like a kid for an afternoon? We explore how “childlike rediscovery” can pull you out of fear and back into wonder, using small, tactile joys—board games, flea markets, ping pong, even a velvet-skinned crested gecko—to reset your nervous system and soften a hard week.
We share honest stories about being blindsided by life and why worry never prevented a single plot twist. From laughing at mispronounced “autopilot” to remembering childhood resilience—building forts from tall grass, drinking from garden hoses, learning to water-ski the rough way—we map a simple practice: try something playful, feel what it does to your body, and keep adjusting. That iterative approach works in the spiritual lane, too. Test different tools like meditation, breathwork, Reiki, crystals, chakra work, yoga or massage. Let what helps evolve with you. Some rituals stick, others fade. The point is curiosity, not perfection.
We also reflect on the contrast between then and now—prices, paychecks, analog adventures versus digital defaults—and what those shifts teach us about presence, value, and choosing experiences that bring us back to life. If you’re craving a reset, start tiny: shuffle a deck, text a friend, take a short walk in the rain, or hold something alive and gentle. Lower the bar for joy and let it compound.
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Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the Spiritual Grind. We're in studio with myself and Dr. Genie. Good morning.
SPEAKER_02:Good morning.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it's a beautiful or rainy day in Florida.
SPEAKER_02:It definitely is cloud cover.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, but I've done walk the two miles over almost three miles today. Do you have a topic of the day?
SPEAKER_02:No, you know me. I just kind of go show up and roll with the punches, man.
SPEAKER_00:Understood. I have a pretty good one, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It's called childlike rediscovery.
SPEAKER_02:Ooh. Okay. Does this have anything to do with me wanting to go by the Monopoly and make the kids play with me?
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, it was kind of like, well, because it's a it's a great attitude to have to, you know, be childlike and rediscover things that you don't know that could be fun now. Just because you didn't like it years ago, don't mean you don't like it now.
SPEAKER_02:Right. I think it's always kind of just a rediscovery. Yeah. Like you're always just testing to find that uh, you know, like we teach, find that feel-good place.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And trying different things out. And I find myself, uh, you know, and I don't want to keep harping on medical stuff, but we went through a uh pretty big major life thing. And so I find myself in that place of wanting to find that frequency again. And so I keep saying, I'm gonna buy some skip boat cards and Monopoly while the kids are here. The kids are visiting and make them play card games and board games with me like they did when they were kids.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, mom, come on.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and we went to the flea market yesterday and I started to buy me a little gecko lizard, just you know the crested gecko. Yeah. Trying to find that frequency again after our little, you know, catastrophic event that happened, man.
SPEAKER_00:It's been a crazy seven days, but that's okay. I'm not gonna focus on it because we're gonna move forward with childlike positive attitudes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I may go into the flea market today and go buy the lizard that well, we may have to walk because they're hungover and not getting out of bed.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Yeah, he said he sent a message that said he had big plans this morning to go sit on the beach before the sun came out and then wake and then he woke up at twelve.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I was thinking maybe they would be here by now and they could pop in and be uh guests on the podcast today and say hello, but yeah, they're no, they had a little too much wine last night. They're recovering, I think, from their partying last night.
SPEAKER_00:Well, they had a great bounce back from their first Airbnb episode. Yeah, their first one wasn't quite up to par, so they actually changed and they walk in and get great and get greeted by cockroaches. That's pretty bad. Yeah. But anyway, so it's more of a childlike behavior. Because here's the thing that that uh mirrors to us, you know, they're in town on vacation and they fall right into a lot of the times. Like last time, they just fell right into being kids.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And it's they usually do when they come.
SPEAKER_00:Instead of having to be adults, they want to come be kids with around their parents.
SPEAKER_02:Right. And that's usually what ends up happening. Like the last time they were here, we spent the time, the majority of the time, playing Pokemon and Yeah, trying to find Pokemon card Pokemon cards and getting Pokemon cards and just kind of hanging out and being a bunch of kids, man.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did, they stayed home, they just wanted us to cook and wanted to play games the whole time. And and that's okay. And so that's where we are because I too need to rediscover fun and excitement as well. Yeah, because we've been so focused for over three years on our journey with the health because we went down a little roller coaster and and we kind of lost our well, not just health, but we were juggling our own job. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Uh the J O B job.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Of course, your cat's headache.
SPEAKER_02:That was the cat in her head. Of you know, still doing our job, which r required us to be basically as the head managers, kind of on duty all the time. And we put in hundreds of hours sometimes a week sometimes, depending on especially around holiday.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, right now we'd be busier than crap.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah, yeah. And then juggling the health issues through all of that. It's been a crazy couple of years. And so I think we're just going back getting back to what we teach, which is finding those things that bring us in alignment with that next joyful thing, that next joyful thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, totally.
SPEAKER_02:And now that the app is kind of um autopilot about it. It is a little bit. It's on allopilot, so it gives us a little more. Yeah, I know. He looked at me for those of you that wonder what it looks like on video. It said the word Alo.
SPEAKER_00:Alopilot.
SPEAKER_02:Odd. And he snapped his head and looked at me. I was like, yep, that just happened.
SPEAKER_00:Because we're on allopilot.
SPEAKER_02:Alo. Alo.
SPEAKER_00:I don't even think you said pilot, you said pilo. Alo pilo.
SPEAKER_02:Alo.
SPEAKER_00:I'll have to look that up. You'll have to look at it when you edit it.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, hey, allo.
SPEAKER_00:And so today's big plans when the kids do show up. If they do, who knows? We plan on going and getting some cars and you're gonna make them play skip bow or monopoly with you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And that's okay to do.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:It's okay. And that little lizard yesterday was pretty cool.
SPEAKER_02:They were. They're quite beautiful. They're called crested geckos.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they are pretty and they're fun.
SPEAKER_02:Their skin looks like velvet.
SPEAKER_00:And they feel like velvet.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And they have suction cup for toes.
SPEAKER_02:They do, and you can feel the suction cup when you're holding them.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:When uh she took it out of my hand, I felt it go pop off.
SPEAKER_00:It just popped off your pink. And and they're they will drop their tails.
SPEAKER_02:I apparently that's what she was saying. They will drop their tails if they get stressed or if it gets in the way. If it gets in the way. And then they're called frog butt.
SPEAKER_00:Frog butt, yep. He's the the other guy was telling us that that he was the male that they had had a lot of females around him. And I guess he was breeding so much that he decided that his tail was just in the way. Yeah. And so he dropped it off.
SPEAKER_02:Right, right.
SPEAKER_00:Just so he could breed more girls, I guess.
SPEAKER_02:I guess.
SPEAKER_00:That's quite a a talent, actually.
SPEAKER_02:And the interesting thing is on the crested ones, they were saying they don't regenerate their tail, so when they drop it off and are done with it, they're just done.
SPEAKER_00:So do they choose their if they could drop it? What can't they choose to read? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:That's just what the guy was saying. I don't know a whole lot about them. We had geckos when the kids were younger, but they were different kinds. They were different. Ours were purple.
SPEAKER_00:Oh.
SPEAKER_02:And I don't remember what they were called exactly, but they were some sort of gecko. And they got these big fat tails and Yeah, my I told you that. But like lizards outside, if they lose their tail, they'll grow it back. So some regenerate.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, like my friend had that big bearded dragon.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I was telling you that story a while ago when when his he went from regular flat earrings and he put these fancy shiny diamond ones in his ears.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And his he had he was carrying his big he had a big it was huge. It was probably four or five feet long. And uh he would put it on his shoulder and it would just sit there and he put those diamond earrings in his ear and this dragon bit his earlobe off with the diamond.
SPEAKER_02:Chasing the diamond, thinking maybe it was something shiny.
SPEAKER_00:He said he felt the tongue and then he felt the bite. It was like it was all at once and it was just regular real quick.
SPEAKER_02:Did he regenerate his earlobe?
SPEAKER_00:He did not regenerate his earlobe. But he had to go get they had to go get surgery on the gecko to get it out. They well they took him, they just they run a thing down his into his stomach and pulled the get it out that way. Yeah, pulled it out.
SPEAKER_02:Huh.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, he came out just fine, but his earlobe wasn't.
SPEAKER_02:Interesting.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, his wife was a some kind of reptilish reptilian lady. She likes sold snakes and lizards and frogs and all sorts of exotic reptilians.
SPEAKER_01:Huh.
SPEAKER_00:But it was a pretty cool experience. But anyway, so being childlike, we can you know, you can actually exp just live those experiences if you want.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean that's the that's the weird, random, crazy shit we do.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, when we are adults and we become parents, we have a tendency to turn that switch off.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And not not have childlike fun and behavior. And like I remember I almost remember as the more the more fun that I got, the less fun my parents got. You know, like my dad was always really playful and fun. And then like the older I got into puberty and teenage years, he'd you know, he got to where he quit playing. I don't know what that is or why, but I don't either. I mean he he still had his fun with his with his people, but not with the kids. Like he didn't he just they just quit playing with us. Interesting. So I don't want to be that person. I want to have childlike thoughts and behavior.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I want to be the goofy old lady that still plays and dresses weird and does weird shit.
SPEAKER_00:You are that lady already.
SPEAKER_02:I am.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Good.
SPEAKER_00:You're goofy. You dress weird. Your mama dresses you funny.
SPEAKER_02:I don't have mama. But good. That's exactly the kind of person I wanna I want to just keep being childlike and goofy and just weird. Yeah. I like being weird.
SPEAKER_00:You know, you know, like me, the playful person just wants to call an Uber and go over to their place and just walk in.
SPEAKER_02:If I call an Uber, I'm gonna go get my lizard first. Not gonna lie.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna go by there and I'm gonna pick one out.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Well you better go soon because they close in three hours.
SPEAKER_02:It's not that far to walk.
SPEAKER_00:It's a pretty good walk from here. Is it? Yeah. We don't have a golf cart.
SPEAKER_02:We could probably borrow one from somebody.
SPEAKER_00:No, I don't think you can here because it's outside of city limits.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But you know, I guess you could you could if you wanted to, I guess. Walk. Pretty good walk though.
SPEAKER_02:Crickets.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I guess we could disconnect the motorhome and drive over there.
SPEAKER_02:I guess. Pull up in the motorhome.
SPEAKER_00:You should go by a lizard.
SPEAKER_02:Just to go by a lizard.
SPEAKER_00:That's kind of crazy. It would be kind of fun to have the lizard. I wonder how the cats would react to it.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. I I'm hankering to have a lizard, a small turtle, and one of the I can I can kind of get down with the lizard.
SPEAKER_00:The turtle I'm not so down with. I don't know why. Why? Because it's a turtle.
SPEAKER_02:So they need love too.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but how are you gonna teach this turtle to ride a skateboard?
SPEAKER_02:Have you not seen the videos on TikTok?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but those aren't the same turtles.
SPEAKER_02:They put he puts it under his belly and he still walks. He just can walk faster because he's rolling instead of having to walk. He does this with his legs and the skateboards across his belly. And so he can go really fast, and the cats run from him.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:You've never seen the videos?
SPEAKER_00:I guess not. I have to look at them.
SPEAKER_02:Look it up.
SPEAKER_00:Interesting.
SPEAKER_02:And same with the gecko.
SPEAKER_00:I am gonna go play ping pong with with my with our son.
SPEAKER_02:I know, and they're and they're drunking her over in the bed. Come on, man. That's what I feel like. I feel like child waiting to be picked up by their friend so they can go play.
SPEAKER_00:Mom, are they ever gonna show up?
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Mom. Mom, can you call and see if they're gonna come? Mom.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, because they have a ping pong table at their Airbnb. And so we w we went by yesterday to get ping pong tables, but yesterday I wasn't feeling real good, so we decided to come home and sleep.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you went and bought ping pong paddles.
SPEAKER_00:They went and bought ping pong paddles and we were gonna go play, but then I they were I was a I don't know, I was a little tired yesterday.
SPEAKER_02:Well the day went by very quickly. Before we knew it, it was like four or five o'clock, and then I think everybody was kind of tired, honestly.
SPEAKER_00:And then I think uh uh Ish got a little long on his play, and then she hit rain going to pick him up. So he called at what, like eight thirty or nine? So that that he she wasn't even back yet or something.
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah, he called about seven actually.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, it's about seven.
SPEAKER_02:And he was like, And I was asleep, she is caught in rain, and so they're not gonna get home till like eight or nine. And I think he and his female decided they were gonna just go find somewhere to eat and probably do a little bar hopping, apparently.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, obviously.
SPEAKER_02:According to the hangover tags that we got.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, because you know, the the closest, well, I don't know, there's they're in the bar region over there. There's bars all over the probably were bar hopping because that ocean that oceanside walker area that they call it over there. It's it's got all those Oceans Eleven resorts. Right. They all have bars in them. Yeah, yeah. And so they just whatever it is.
SPEAKER_02:And it's uh some sort of bike week at the 500.
SPEAKER_00:No, it's a bicycle race. It's not a bike race, not a not a motorcycle race. It's a bicycle race, not a bike rake bike race.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it's a bicycle race. Bicycle race.
SPEAKER_00:Oh that's why it's all shut off out here in front of the motor home.
SPEAKER_02:I thought it was a motorcycle race. I thought it was too short. I see, I see. I got it.
SPEAKER_00:So they have this big bicycle race going on.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Which I think it ended already. I think it ended at one.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So we are human too. Yep. We are looking to uh find that next uh fun, joyful thing, and right now I have my eyes set on having a lizard.
SPEAKER_00:Another mouth to feed.
SPEAKER_02:Oh gosh, your mouth.
SPEAKER_00:You'll have to go out here and catch the bigger.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, with the we're with the new way you're eating, I know, right? I feel like you have two mouths. And four stomachs. You have.
SPEAKER_00:I've been eating me out of house and home. Yeah, I know. I haven't beaten the dang freezer in like a week.
SPEAKER_02:Like every two hours you're eating something.
SPEAKER_00:I guess I'm just healing, I guess. It is what it is. It's okay.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:I got a little heartburn going on right now.
SPEAKER_02:So yeah, that's what we're here to talk about. Is what'd you call it?
SPEAKER_00:Rechildlike.
SPEAKER_02:Redefining or re- Re-establishing childlike thought. Yeah, re-establishing childlike thought.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and just being whatever, you know, who cares? And just make jokes and have fun and live life. You know, because this event for me made me thought I was, you know, like put all this freaking fear into me. And and I'm like, you know what? Because obviously it don't matter how much you study all this other stuff, it doesn't matter anyway, because you can just get surprised anyway.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's the thing. It doesn't matter how much you worry, it didn't prevent it from happening. Nope. It doesn't matter about like how afraid you may or may not be. It still happened without any uh like pre-warning that we were aware of or that we knew like literally we felt like we got our legs kicked out underneath us.
SPEAKER_00:Brought into my attention f years and years ago. Yes. But it was like but there but even then the doctor said you didn't meant to meet the criteria.
SPEAKER_02:I think the the short and long of it is is fucking worrying about shit just doesn't it doesn't stop something. Well, you know, if you have a contract or if it's something you're gonna experience, come hella high water, you're gonna experience it. And that's period.
SPEAKER_00:You know, because this is the kind of thought thought process that I'm that I'm I wanted to transition from that conversation we just had was I remember when I was like I was probably 11 or so and I was riding a YZ-80 motorcycle. What'd you see what you looking at over there?
SPEAKER_02:I was just waiting for you to tell your story and see how far down the medical place we go with it.
SPEAKER_00:We're not going into it at all. I'm going completely away from it. I see. But I I rode a YZ-80 and I rode hard to the point to where I ran into a limb on a tree, I broke my two my my two fingers on my right hand, and I kept right on riding because I had the thought of I don't care. It'll be alright. And I kept running on riding. And that's because it was a childlice childlike thought. Because I was having more fun than the pain was.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And that's where we gotta be in life as adults is is we gotta create those childlife childlike thoughts in life.
SPEAKER_02:Or get really, really drunk.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you can do that too.
SPEAKER_02:But I had a story where I went out partying, was very drunk, tripped over the edge of my dress, fell backwards, caught myself, dislocated my elbow, broke my elbow and my wrist.
SPEAKER_00:And you kept right up.
SPEAKER_02:And I was drunk enough where I was like, oh, well, here, let me just pop that back into place because my arm was literally pointing in the wrong direction. Let me go ahead and do that now while I'm drunk. Yeah. I had the wherewithal enough to say, yeah, if I don't do that now while I'm drunk, I may not get it back in place. So I just kind of gritted my teeth and popped it back into place in the right direction. And I just went on partying and continued partying. I'm like, there's no point in going home now.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:There's enough alcohol on board to deal with it, and it's already injured and broke. No reason to go home now and lick my wounds. I'll do that fucking tomorrow. So that's what I did. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I've had some pretty drunken, wild, and childlike behavior.
SPEAKER_02:When tomorrow came, I was like, fuck. This is This hurts. This is this is not good. This is gonna leave a mark. So I went up to the ER and had my little doctor friend put a splint on the bitch and moved on. Moved on. It was my right hand too. So I had to learn Oh that sucks. Yeah. So I had to learn how to put my eyeliner on with my left hand. I did.
SPEAKER_00:You learned you forced yourself to learn something new.
SPEAKER_02:I did. And I got quite good at it. So now I can do it with both hands.
SPEAKER_00:Me and my buddies one time we were we had snuck into my parents into my dad's liquor cabinet and grabbed his liquor. And we were getting drunk and we were out at my buddy's his his dad had a shop and we were playing with uh rat traps.
SPEAKER_02:Like the snap kind or the sticky kind?
SPEAKER_00:No, no, the snap kind. Where you're trying to you have to beat your you have to beat it out, you know. Yeah. And uh well we had went inside because the rat trap broke and we went in to go get other ones and we were sitting around his parents bar and he set the trap and he gave it to me and not thinking what was above my hand. And so I and I've got my left hand in there and I got the trap down and I go smapping it and it got me. And I went, ah, and I raised my hand right into her wine glass rack.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god. And you broke them.
SPEAKER_00:And I then I put my hand down and looked up, and then as just as I watched up, one of the wine glasses wiggled and then fell off the rack. Boom, right into my arm, right into my hand. I still got the scar from it. I had to learn how to how to change everything for six weeks because I got a bunch of stitches and crap in my hand, and her his his mom allowed us not to come back over and play no more.
SPEAKER_02:She allowed you not to disallowed us. You're allowed not to come back.
SPEAKER_00:You're not allowed to be back anymore. And uh because it went it was I got I got in trouble and it wasn't even my idea. Just because I stole the liquor. Don't mean nothing. But anyway. This childlike behavior though was fun just because I thought I was just trying to beat the rat trap.
SPEAKER_02:Beat the rat trap. Yeah, we did some crazy things as kids.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, you have no idea.
SPEAKER_02:I think our generation was a lot more try it, try it out, pay the consequences later.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah. Yeah, that's what that's how we were raised.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:I feel like we were just You like I was playing with my Hot Wheels on this dirt round mound for many, many years. Yeah. And then one day my uncle's there over there and he says, Hey, you need to move off the way. We got the tractor coming because we gotta we gotta pull the the mound off the top of the septic tank. I'd been playing on top of septic tank shit water for years with my Hot Wheels.
SPEAKER_02:But it was covered in dirt.
SPEAKER_00:Like, no, the the septic tank, the the septic lines, it was a big mound of dirt that they put, and I played all the way down those things. When we we made mud pies and that crap.
SPEAKER_02:Right, but I mean our immune system's used to it. We drink out of the fucking water hose.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I know. We did all sorts of crap. We'd throw uh we're water hose kids. We held that a gun one time.
SPEAKER_02:Thirsty. You remember going to the door and saying, Can we have in? We're thirsty.
SPEAKER_00:There's a water hose out there.
SPEAKER_02:Drink out of the water hose. Go away, kid. They would shoo us out and lock the door, and we'd go to the door and say, We're we went in. Why do you want in? We're thirsty. Turn the water hose on and don't forget to turn it back off. You'll make a mud puddle. Like we were drinking out of the water hose for years. We're probably some mutated species where we could probably survive like a Twinkie atomic bomb or something. We'll be the only generation that can survive because of the exposure.
SPEAKER_00:And we played with everything with nothing.
SPEAKER_02:That's right. And it was nothing to drop something in the dirt, dust it off a little bit, and put it back in your mouth and eat it.
SPEAKER_00:I remember making complete forks, forts out in the open pasture behind the house with that big, tall yellow grass.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:We would cut it out in clumps and we would ride it and make and tie it into bundles, and then we would literally dig like you know, ditches into the ground with our with our bare hand.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:And then we would build these forts out of these bundles of this grass that we would make. And man, we'd play for that for weeks.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It would almost be like an ongoing thing with all the ever all my friends growing up because we it was more fun to play with well. We would just play with nothing. We figured out ways to play with things.
SPEAKER_02:Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:And that's that childlike thought.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, I think most of the time, for the majority of the time, I can speak for myself, I would rather be outside.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_02:Than to be indoors.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. I didn't want because I was in the house, my mom was wanting me to clean something.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:And I would as long as I was home by dark, I was good.
SPEAKER_02:That's right. I can remember getting, you know, I can remember getting an illness and not being allowed to go out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I would like the my like my fever would break or whatever, and I'd feel better. And then I would be like, okay, I'm ready to go outside and play. Like I want to go back outside. Nope, you're sick. So by God, when you were, you made sure you were sick because you didn't want to get trapped in the damn house.
SPEAKER_00:I just never told anybody I was sick.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, there were some times where I was truly ill and I just really couldn't do it. But you made dang sure you didn't like call wolf because they would trap your ass in the house and then they're like, they did this on purpose, just to teach you. That's right.
SPEAKER_00:To toughen you up. You're pretty crazy. And being trapped in the house, man, when you can't go outside is you remember when they used to slam on the brakes on the car just to stop you? Yeah. Just to mess with you. Not because you weren't wearing your seatbelt.
SPEAKER_02:No, that's so opposite story. When we weren't sitting down in the seat, because back in our generation, you didn't have to have seat belts.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_02:And you could still stand up in the seat and not get pulled over by the police. You could ride in the back of the truck bed. Like all that was legal and okay to do. And if we were standing up in the seat in the back seat of the car after being told a couple of times to sit down, yes.
SPEAKER_00:They would slam on the brakes and your head would hit the freaking windshield. Yes. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I can tell you, my dad did that a lot of times. He would pop the brake to yeah, to slam us down to teach us a lesson air quote.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And we would sit down then for a minute, but I can remember standing back. Yeah, yeah. I can remember that.
SPEAKER_00:That's all kind of funny.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I remember my Uncle Gary, he had this white Dodge truck. It was like a 80s, early 80s model. Yeah. And uh there was this road, um, U the Gall Road. It was I can't remember what the name of that road is, actually. But it would it was like really hilly and really star, you know, sharp up and down.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And we would get in the, he would, he would make all of us get in the back of the truck and he would literally fly down that road just so we would I mean we would come up off the bed of the truck and then bam on the bottom as he went through the bottom and he would just be laughing his ass off the whole time. And nowadays it's like child endangerment, but right.
SPEAKER_02:Reckless endangerment of the child.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_02:You get a pretty hefty uh penalty for doing that.
SPEAKER_00:Or he would do that shit on purpose too on the boat. Like any he had a he had a flat bottom boat.
SPEAKER_02:For sure.
SPEAKER_00:And if you stood up in the boat without and he w wasn't and you weren't ready for it, it just out of just out of spite, he would throw your ass in the water. Oh no, he wouldn't. There would be no try. He would throw your ass straight in the water.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Our uncle who always brought the boat to our um what do you call those gatherings? Family reunions.
SPEAKER_00:Family reunions.
SPEAKER_02:He would do the same thing. He would do the same exactly. And then just laugh.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah, they just laugh about it. They toughened you up back then.
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know, like my buddy, his dad had a boat. It was a jet boat. And uh that boat would run like 120 across the water. It was called the SS Gitchy Sum. It was the name of it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And uh when I first started hanging out with them, they invited me to go to their lake house. His dad, here's a here's a really cool story story. His dad owned a little three-person tray uh drywall company. And when w the uh Uligal school system got hit by a tornado in like uh say it was probably the eighty six, eighty seven, somewhere in there. Um, and it got destroyed. And he got he went online and bid for the entire drywall job for this entire rebuild of the school.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:And he got it. He became a millionaire overnight.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:But anyway, so he had his he ended up with his great big lake house. And uh he says, yeah, his no Chris invites me to go with him for the for uh um the weekend for the to the lake house. And I was like, sure, I'll go. That was cool, you know. And his his dad says to me, Do you know how to ski? No, sir, never skied before. Oh, well it's it's gonna be your lucky weekend then. Well, first thing in the morning we'll take the boat out and we'll teach you how to ski. And I was like, all right, I was more there to fish because I had a fishing boat too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And we get out on the water and and uh he's laughing and carrying on, and he's like, I was nervous, you know. I you know, he'd they'd fit a live vest on me and and uh how old were you?
SPEAKER_02:Uh I was never skied before at this point? Nope, never skipped before. Okay, okay. I was like, why were you nervous?
SPEAKER_00:I was probably eleven, twelve, you know. And uh understand. And so the and Chris is laughing at me. That's my friend. He's laughing the whole time because his dad's like all being serious. He's like, okay, so this is what you do, blah blah blah. He's all telling me all this stuff, right? And and uh and so he he tells me, jump in the water, lay back on your vest, hold your skis out of the top of the water, yeah, keep your rope between your skis and try to stop the boat when it takes off.
SPEAKER_02:Right, right.
SPEAKER_00:I'm like, okay. I could do that. He said all you gotta do is try to and when you when you feel it, you'll pop up and then just put you lean back on the rope.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Just like that. He made it sound easy as pie, right? And uh what it came out to be actually it was easy to pie when I actually did it. Right. Because he this is how I find out later this is how he taught people. Is the first time he did it, I leaned back on the and he he put everything into that jet boat and it took off out of the hole so far that it jerked me out of the skis and I flew through the air probably ten feet and landed face first in the water, then he just laughed at it again. And he was like, You ready to go try again? And I didn't know he did it on purpose because he wanted you to feel the power of the boat. I found out later, but you know, we were all laughing about it, then then the the like the second time I get I get literally get straight up and I actually am skiing. Right. And uh and so he tells me to start trying, he can hear him, try things, lean left, lean right, whatever, you know. And I was I was a child, I was a kid. I was like, okay, sure, I'll try it. Right. Try anything once. And I'm just jumping around, I'm going back and forth out of the thing, and then I'm in the middle, and and he said, When you're done, he said, all I want you to do is give you the thumbs down like this, and then show me an open hand, and then I'll I'll slow the boat down so you can just let go. And uh so I went, I was pretty worn out, and and I'm and I'm giving him the s the thumbs down, and before I get the thing open, he goes, You ready? And I'm and so I'm like I'm like, What? He goes, and he and then he turns the freaking rooster tail on at about 40 miles an hour on the water. And that water hits me straight in the face, and I tumble uh you know, it's like what you see in those videos on you know uh America's funniest home videos. Gonna get always head over heels across the top of the water. And uh, but it was pretty funny. It was funny to watch afterwards because his mom was videoing all of it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And uh, but it was a fun childlike behavior. I'd yeah, I jumped right up after that. I I had made the initiation, you know. I was I was the cool kid now.
SPEAKER_02:Did she have that big huge VCR border with the VH tape and carried that thing everywhere? They were so huge compared to what they are now today.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. She actually had a a uh in a stand for it mounted on the boat.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And they would yeah, she used that anywhere she went, anywhere we were, she had the video camera out.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. That's way back when it was.
SPEAKER_00:She had lost a daughter back years ago, and so it she after that she changed, she videoed everything. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:After that, but that's how my aunt was. She had one of those big ass, they were huge.
SPEAKER_00:And so heavy too.
SPEAKER_02:And heavy, and so it was hard to like it. She would let me try, and I would have to put it on my fucking shoulder just to keep it holded up. And my video that I recorded was like just all over the place, moving too fast, moving too fast and shaking because it was so heavy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my gosh. And the kids these days don't even know what a VHS.
SPEAKER_00:You read they know they have no glue. They have no glue.
SPEAKER_02:No idea. Something else I found interesting. We were watching that um what's that comedian's name last night? He said something interesting. Matt Ruff. Yeah, he was saying at his age, he will never know what if Michael Jackson was black or white.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Other than from online videos, yeah. Videos.
SPEAKER_00:And he's like, he didn't really know if Michael Jackson was black or white. He didn't know because he was young enough. He was like, he's only 32.
SPEAKER_02:It kind of popped me for a minute because I'm like, yeah, even the people that we grew up listening to or watching on TV, these next generations.
SPEAKER_00:They have no clue who they are.
SPEAKER_02:They don't. They have no clue who they are.
SPEAKER_00:They don't know what it was like to not have a computer.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:I remember I didn't get a we didn't have a computer at home until matter of fact, I think I was already out of the house.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Before we got a computer at home. And we had a computer at work, but all it was was basically a fancy calculator.
SPEAKER_02:It was. It was just very basic typewriter and calculator. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Pretty crazy. They they don't they won't know how to experience it. They don't what it that you know, their life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It's much different. Most of the kids nowadays don't even know how to write a check.
SPEAKER_00:I know, right? It's all electronics.
SPEAKER_02:Isn't that funny? I taught our kids how to write checks as part of their learning experience when they got their account.
SPEAKER_00:You know, there are some rural towns that these these kids nowadays don't even know what a Walmart is or a Target because everything's done through Amazon.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I didn't even think about that until he made a joke about it.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:He said he has little nephews that live in like somewhere in uh northern Indiana in a small town that has no they have no stores. They have no Walmart or anything. Uh-huh. And so uh everything that they own is Amazon. And so all they know is online shopping.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.
SPEAKER_00:And so it's like, and then it it's like, oh wow, it's not even something you don't think about. Kind of childlike that childlike thought and behavior.
SPEAKER_02:Kind of crazy if you think about it.
SPEAKER_00:It really is.
SPEAKER_02:Especially when I We didn't have internet. I do remember our our grandparents sitting around talking about things like uh listening to the radio um after family dinner.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:As their family get together.
SPEAKER_00:And it was my grandma Horner didn't even that's all she had was a radio.
SPEAKER_02:Well, and some of them didn't even have a radio. Like my one grandmother said, We didn't have radio. We sat around and we told stories.
SPEAKER_00:They read things like that.
SPEAKER_02:The other grandmother had a radio.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But my one grandmother, she was like, We didn't have radio. We sat around and told stories and interacted with each other after our even the movies that were old when we were kids?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Just started TV, like Greece. Right. No, they had just had black and white TV and it was only the little small TVs, and they had just started broadcasting that in major cities.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Even our TVs were much different than they are.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, total.
SPEAKER_02:We had to be the antenna. We've talked about that before.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But I can also remember hearing stories from my grandparents of, you know, like uh going to the movies and being able to go to the movies and buy their snack on like a nickel.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Or I can remember as a child going and my grandmother smoked, and I was in kindergarten, first grade, somewhere around there. I can remember going into the store for her and them letting me buy her cigarettes.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I got to take the change and buy, you know, like four or five pieces of bubblegum or whatever. Or being able to take two dollar bill, buy some gas, go in and pay for the gas and get me a pack of cigarettes, and then you can buy, you know, bubblegum with the change. Being able to buy a pack of cigarettes, a tank of gas, and like three or four pieces of bubblegum, because they were a penny.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:On a two dollar bill. That's what it seemed like.
SPEAKER_00:My mom used to give me three dollars. And I would drive down during during the summer when I was out of school. I would ride my bicycle like eight miles, by the way. And I would for three dollars, I'd get her a pack of cigarettes, a six-pack amount and dew, a that would get us two deli sandwiches for lunch, and I'd still get like 45 cents worth of gum.
SPEAKER_02:Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:All on three bucks.
SPEAKER_02:Right. That's what I'm saying. We can remember that.
SPEAKER_00:I could buy those deli sandwiches for 35 cents a piece.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. But I can remember my grandparents telling stories like that of being able to buy, you know, even less than that, less than less than that.
SPEAKER_00:Like my dad, yeah, I remember my dad telling me a story one time with his first car. Uh he could fill up the entire tank for a dollar and eighty cents.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That's from a fill-up. That's like a f and back then that was those are full tanks, they were 50-gallon tanks.
SPEAKER_02:Or my grandmother, she always was in the nursing genre for her career, or she sat with elderly or sick people. And I would I can remember asking her, well, how how much did you get paid to do that back then? And she was like, Oh, I got paid like a dollar fifty a month. And I'm like, Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we have to talk about talk about Sal, 99, 98 years old now.
SPEAKER_02:Talk about like poor income. She was like, Well, you have to remember, uh a quarter would buy like all this.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I'm like, oh my God, like they could buy their whole list of groceries for the month on a freaking quarter. I don't even remember what the amount was. I'm over exaggerating, obviously.
SPEAKER_00:Winsell told me he got his first job at age at age fifteen.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:His monthly pay was two dollars. And eighty six cents.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:A month.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That was in the military.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Two dollars and eighty-six cents a month. Yeah. That's what my grandmother. That's 98 years ago. That's how old he is. Yeah. It's kind of crazy.
SPEAKER_02:A month. And so they had to pay for housing and groceries and all of that. And that was plenty of money to do that. That's what my grandmother was trying to explain to me is yeah, it sounds like not a lot, but I lived comfortably.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I bought groceries. I had my housing and all that.
SPEAKER_00:And most of them were able and we had enough money to build wealth for a nickel.
SPEAKER_02:For retirement.
SPEAKER_00:They could build wealth wealth on that.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. Yeah. My aunt, she would, she was a stay-at-home mom, and my uncle was the one who went to work. She would get uh two quarters, um, I don't remember, maybe once a month, to go and buy the list of things she needed for the house, and then one quarter was for her to buy her um, you know, like lipstick and like her needs. Right. Yeah. And get her hair done. She would go and get her hair poofed up and back combed and all of that. And she said she could do all of that on her little quarter allowance and still have money left over. And so her money left over, she would put back in her little savings jar.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And then whenever they got ready to do like family vacation or something, they went on these big, huge, extravagant vacations, and she ended up having all on a quarter. Almost all of the family's retirement saved back.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:Because she would put part of her allowance, so to speak, back.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:You know, that's like uh I'm like, it's mind blowing when you think about it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I remember Doc telling me a story one time that uh him and his wife when he first got uh when he went in the military and take after he got married, that he would take uh I th I want to say it was fifty cents. Yeah. And he would buy a little piece of gold.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it was like a grime or something, a gram or something, I don't remember.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And uh when he when his wife at twenty hit twenty their twenty-fifth wedding anniversary, she took all the gold and care and cast it in.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it was like five hundred thousand dollars worth of gold.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Because it had went so much time in that twenty-five years, so much growth.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And yeah, I saw a thing on TV the other day and I thought, you know what? Maybe we should start buying some little gold and silver pieces just to kind of I used to do it and I sold everything.
SPEAKER_00:I used two years ago.
SPEAKER_02:I felt the hankering. So anyway, so that was kind of the I don't know. That was a different kind of podcast. Yeah, it was fun though. It was good. Uh I think the key thing is trying different things.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Just let it be fun. Find the if you're especially if you're going through a wonky time.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Just randomly out of the blue, try some, try some off the wall things to try and find that joy vibration.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I think for me, what I wanted to convey to the people that listen to us is that even we get knocked off course. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And that just because you find something that gives you joy today doesn't mean that it's gonna be what works for you tomorrow, the next day, or whatever.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Be open and willing to let that change.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_02:And try something different and be willing to try something different.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, totally. Be open-minded.
SPEAKER_02:There's no book that says there is no manual and do this, and life will be good. You've got to try things. Yep. Even in the metaphysical world uh that we play in, you know, when you're going through your awakening process and things feel hard and you're trying to get down to that belief system that makes you feel wonky and you don't really have a daily routine that to speak of, you've got to try different things. Try stones, go get a massage, do some meditation, have chakra work done, go try all those different modalities to see what works for you. Yeah, and then know that if it changes, allow it to change.
SPEAKER_00:Agreed.
SPEAKER_02:Go back out there and explore uh what that looks like.
SPEAKER_00:Totally. You gotta be open-minded to it.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, because in my I can tell you, in my journey, which is going on 40 years now, 30 something years, I went, I did everything from Wicca to spell work, to stones, to meditation, to yoga, like chakra work. I I've tried it all, and some some hung on for a little while, some hung on other like I'm still a big stoner, yeah, and stones still are a big part of my life, but some of that other stuff faded away, and my daily routine changed.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And still changes to this day.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, totally. So you know, and and it it got us from point A to point B.
SPEAKER_02:Always does. That's the thing.
SPEAKER_00:I feel complete.
SPEAKER_02:Try something. Go play Monopoly or Skip Bow. Yeah, really. Or buy a lizard. I'm coming, my sweet lizard.
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