The Spiritual Grind
Dr. Jenni PhD,RN,CHLC,CH and medium and Rev. James ORD, MhsB have spent countless years studying and practicing many modalities within the "Spiritual" domain. Dr. Jenni has dedicated her life to helping others by attending countless schools and developing each of her practices and strategies. Rev. James has studied many modalities and Native American practices and they have Both decided to open their library of knowledge to share this information with everyone in a down to earth style, with hope to assist in making your journey easier and more abundant.
The Spiritual Grind
The Hidden Purpose Behind What Captures Your Attention
Have you ever caught yourself deep down a rabbit hole of conspiracy videos or social media posts, only to snap out of it and wonder why you just wasted thirty minutes of your precious time? You're not alone, and more importantly—it might not have been a waste at all.
In this thought-provoking episode, we dive into the fascinating realm of societal distractions and their deeper spiritual significance. We explore why certain content captivates our attention while other information passes by unnoticed, and what these patterns reveal about our subconscious beliefs and unresolved emotional triggers.
When something grabs your focus—whether it's conspiracy theories, dramatic news stories, or trivial gossip—your higher self might be trying to show you something important. These moments of distraction can serve as mirrors reflecting what needs healing within you or highlighting beliefs that no longer serve your highest good. Rather than judging yourself for being distracted, we suggest approaching these moments with curiosity: "Why did this capture my attention? What emotion is it triggering? What belief pattern might be at play here?"
The conversation expands to examine how contrast operates as an essential teaching tool in our spiritual development. Without experiencing what we don't want, how would we recognize what we do want? Earth provides the perfect classroom for these contrasting experiences, offering a rich buffet of opportunities for growth. We share practical insights on identifying and changing the three-part system that keeps us locked in distraction cycles: our core beliefs, our habitual patterns, and our ongoing mental programming.
For those looking to deepen their spiritual practice, we also discuss how to build unwavering confidence in your intuitive abilities through consistent practice and validation. Just as mastery in any skill comes from repetition and experience, spiritual confidence emerges when you establish daily routines that connect you with your higher wisdom.
Join us for this illuminating conversation that will transform how you view the distractions in your life, turning what once seemed like wasted time into powerful opportunities for self-discovery and spiritual evolution.
Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the Spiritual Grind. We are here today in Daytona Beach. How about a great it's been some beautiful weather.
SPEAKER_03:Good morning.
SPEAKER_00:There's Dr. Ginny sneaking in from the back. Good morning.
SPEAKER_03:Good morning. So I have a great topic.
SPEAKER_00:I have a great topic today. Ooh, do tell this is something that you know for the grinders out there that listen is part of our life, and it is something that in our reality that is that we deal with on a daily basis. And I see a lot of people that deal with it as well. And that is societal distraction. And let me let me de dive a little bit into this.
SPEAKER_04:Deve into it.
SPEAKER_00:You know, when you're promoting a business online, you you have to get on Instagram and Facebook and all that stuff. And you have a million things that you have to tag together because, you know, that's how you grow your listeners and those things. And since I've been engaged more in Instagram and Facebook, I've seen a lot of these things going on that are conspiracy theories and societal distractions. And why that's the real purpose of this podcast is why do we, first of all, allow the distractions. And second of all, why would society be distracting us? It's a it could be a very, very deep topic today. You know, like there's the main conspiracy that's going around right now, there's two things. One is the the Charlie Kirk murder. You know, they're they're saying it's conspiracy theories, and there's all these videos that come up that that he was a Freemason and blah blah blah blah blah blah, this other stuff. And you know, and then the other one is these videos are starting to resurface of the 9-11 attacks. So you gotta ask yourself why. First of all, why do you allow yourself to get sucked into that trap? And second of all, why would society be distracting us?
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. Why do you?
SPEAKER_00:I don't Well, you know, we had a conversation about conspiracy theories the other day.
SPEAKER_04:We did that you activated. I don't. I don't even I listen to what you bring to the table a lot of times, but I I mean I'm I'm just digging it, yeah. I'm just having fun. It's all good. Yeah. Um everybody has something that they like to play with and toy with. I think it's a little bit different for me personally, because I have a different viewpoint of the whole mechanism.
SPEAKER_00:And uh that's why I'm bringing it to the table so you can give your viewpoint to the grinders out there.
SPEAKER_04:I get it. It's not time yet, though. Continue on.
SPEAKER_00:So the the part of it for me is I was sitting there watching all this stuff and all these shenanigans and all these so-called experts, and they have all this stuff that they do and can do and know and blah blah blah blah blah. And you just stop and say to yourself, is this really what we should be paying attention to? Is it really what we need to be paying attention to? Because the reality is, is yeah, like Charlie Kirk, he was a very well-known online influencer and and held expos and conventions all over the world and very well known. And uh he was a great podcaster. You know, he spoke his truth, and that's what we're about, is speaking truth and allowing it our own version, having free speech and having the ability to do and say whatever we want to do because of our constitutional rights. And that's what he kind of enforced was constitutional rights and those things. But his death. So we when we talk about his death, and you see all these conspiracy theories, do I believe any of this stuff? Heck, I don't know. I don't really know. I just know I wasted 30 minutes of my time looking at stupid stuff.
SPEAKER_04:What do you mean?
SPEAKER_00:And looking at the conspiracies behind it and watching it on little 30 second videos over and over and over. And I at the end of that 30 minutes, I looked at myself like, what are you doing? You're an idiot. Why are you even paying attention to this? Well because it don't really matter in the big scheme of things.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, for yourself, yeah. Why, why is a good question.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Why why that's what is it triggering? What is it pointing to? What is it mirroring? What does it represent? There's some reason why it caught your attention. There's some reason why you and you brought yourself to the table as uh uh an example. Right. So that's why I'm using you. There's some reason why it's held your attention for a minute, him specifically.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I've been watching him for a while.
SPEAKER_04:And so you're, I mean, you're right. What asking yourself why, because otherwise, if if it wasn't triggering something, mirroring something, symbolically pointing to something else, you would not it wouldn't even phase you. It'd just be another little short that you flip through and it's no big deal. And you listen to the content to see if it's uh something useful or not. And if it's not, just grow a lawn. So why for you does he hold such a big point of attraction right now in your bubble?
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, I have it uh I I have I've kind of veered away from it since I've had this thought in my head. But the point of it for me is is like you just said, it's why am I am I giving this my time? And I would challenge everybody out there to stop and ask yourself, why are you giving your thoughts and your time to that when you could be using it elsewhere? Because in my thought process I know that things happen and things are there, but it's all human. And so on the big scheme of things, this reality in this realm is not dictated by what you see on TikTok. It's dictated from what's inside of you.
SPEAKER_04:Maybe maybe we can we can dive in and break it down. Break her down and and see what we can do. Break it down. See what we come up with. Because in even in the big scheme of things, uh we'll use what's his name? Charlie Cock.
SPEAKER_00:Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER_04:Kirk. I don't even know who the guy is. We use him as an example, and we'll use you an example. There's some reason why it it rang your bell. And your higher self, your counsels, your spirit guides, any of that, your intuition, all of that that's guiding and directing you along your path, all along the way of your whole entire life existence, is doing things for reasons. They don't just do things randomly to laugh at you or to just get a kick out of it. They're guiding you through. So if it has your attention right this moment, then it's trying to show you something.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:It's either trying to show you something in your beliefs and patterns and programs that it's time to look at and maybe redefine or consider leveling up or something.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Or it's triggering some sort of personal experience that left some sort of trauma space, and it may be time to look at that for further healing. Or you may just find that it's interesting and it's a joy to listen to that and to play the game of Sherlock Holmes and see if you can figure it out. Like it may be a point of enjoyment, and and that's why you're doing it.
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, uh, I've always been the investigative kind of I like to investigate and figure out problems. That's kind of been me for most of my life.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. So when you ask yourself why, don't I would advise not to judge why am I wasting time on this stupid shit? It served some sort of purpose or it wouldn't be in your reality. And if it's in your reality and it's got your attention, then it's there for a reason.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there's parts of it that really grab my attention. And you know, we've preached for a long time that this reality is just a hologram. It's just, you know, it's all fake, it's all what we create. And a lot of this in this is saying it's movie and theatrical and it's holographic and it's you know, all of this stuff, and so you're kind of like, hmm, yeah, it could be, you know, it could be, it could not be. Who c uh but the the point behind it for me is you're right. It why are the beliefs within me allowing me to be engaged in this thing? And this is what I'm that's what the challenge is out there to listeners, is identify those things in your life that are just time wasters. And if you're doing it on purpose, that's one thing. But if you catch yourself 30 minutes into doing something like I did and say, What have I been wasting my time doing?
SPEAKER_04:You know, there's something there's you know, time wasting and judging it as time wasting is a two-fold perspective as well. It would not have come into your reality unless it was something that needed your awareness.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:And if you were not meant to spend some time with it, it wouldn't be taking your time. You would not give it your time.
SPEAKER_00:Agreed.
SPEAKER_04:Unless you have things that are on your plate, on your to-do list that you don't want to do, or you're overwhelmed and don't know what to do, you'll find things to distract you from that subconsciously. So you gotta identify okay, am I in that overwhelmed state and I'm distracting myself subconsciously, so I don't have to go deal with this, this, and this because I don't know how, or I feel overwhelmed, deer in the headlight feeling, then yes, it's not necessarily a beneficial thing and catching yourself doing it and bringing yourself back around and saying, Okay, you know what? Let me take one thing at a time. I'll feel better if I get it done and get it off the to-do list one little baby step at a time, then yes, it deserves judgment.
SPEAKER_00:So to clarify, you're saying that uh I'm using that as a distraction because I have a lot of stuff I'm doing?
SPEAKER_04:No, I'm giving you possible options of why it is in your reality and breaking those down. So to clarify, it is either in your reality because it's time for something to be brought to your awareness that your guides and counsel are trying to bring to your awareness that's attached to a belief pattern or program or circumstance or event that needs your attention. Okay. B you are um it's it's in your reality, and you're looking at you're trying to be shown some sort of trauma emotion.
SPEAKER_00:I just said I don't ever have to silence my phone.
SPEAKER_04:But the funny thing is, I went ahead and put it on airplane mode. So how did that get through?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I don't know. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_04:Well, see, remember back in the day we used to use our phone noise as a clearing bell.
SPEAKER_00:We did. You're right.
SPEAKER_04:Because it's on airplane. I went ahead and did it even though you told me and I said that.
SPEAKER_00:That's funny. Um thank you, Spirit.
SPEAKER_04:Right. So just by talking about it as you see, things clear out of the way. Or C, subconsciously, you're using it as a distraction um because you don't want to deal with whatever you've got going on. I wasn't saying it was one or both or all or any of that. I was just giving you possibilities of why we do what we do.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And so then I went down the distraction part of it and kind of define that a little clearer is why do we distract ourselves with time wasting kind of things that are not really getting us where we need to go? And sometimes that can be because you're feeling overwhelmed with the tasks at hand. Yeah, sometimes following your joy feels fun, but then there's parts of that that don't feel so fun. Like, for example, I love writing articles, I love getting that out, but editing it is not the funnest part of that for me.
SPEAKER_00:Agree.
SPEAKER_04:I would love to just hand that off to somebody, they edit it. We used to do that, bring it back to me if it needs more content or whatever. So I will find myself leaving the editing until the very last stinking minute.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Because I don't necessarily like that.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:So there are days where I have to make myself say, okay, you know what? Today's task day, we're gonna put a smile on our face, put our big girl panties on, and get our tasks done because it feels better when my plate's empty.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So you may be Yeah, but when your plate's empty, my plate gets full. Yeah, when my inbox gets empty, your inbox gets full. Yeah. Right. Uh, so you may be distracting yourself because you're kind of in that overwhelm state of these things are not joyful. So I don't really have a desire or a motivating nudge to get them done. And then you let them pile up to where they feel overwhelming.
SPEAKER_00:Well, that really doesn't resonate with me because I don't feel well, that's fine.
SPEAKER_04:I'm just explaining it to the listeners on how that might happen subconsciously. So just to reiterate, if it's in your reality, it's there for a reason.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Figuring out what the reason is, it is either triggering you to deal with some traumatic sore that needs continued healing. Yeah. It's a belief that maybe is ready to be cleaned up at the next layer, onion layer.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Or it's a time waster because you got a bunch of shit on your to-do list that's not fun.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I agree. Yeah. You know, that's what I do every morning when I wake up, is I get up at five o'clock in the morning. I fix me a cup of coffee. Generally, I get up around five here. Lately, I've been kind of sleeping in a little bit. I kind of like it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I got in such a routine of getting up early all of my life that it's hard to sleep past five or five thirty. I I spend time with myself and I look at my whatever it is that's come up in my reality that I need to look at and address and and focus on. And then I spend most of my morning distracting myself while my higher self works on whatever I'm bringing to my reality, and then normally something pops up that says, Bing, this is what we're working on. And and so that's how my morning goes. And I catch myself in those times in between um looking at stuff to distract my mind. And allowing my subconscious higher self to do the work.
SPEAKER_04:Well, and some of it is a distraction, but we use, and I say we meaning uh society. You got a mouth in your pocket. No. We I said we we. We we as I study humans and their behaviors, what I notice is that we all use different modalities to let the intuitive information come through. And there are times when people watch the videos and they're like, oh, you know what? I watched this little short and this is what came up for me.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Because that's the way you can hear the information the best at that moment. So higher self, council members, whatever spiritually will bring you the messages in the best way that you can hear them and understand them on whatever frequency wave it can find for you at that moment.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Be it whether you read it in a book and the book fell off the shelf, be it a TikTok video, be it a YouTube video, be it a radio station, a billboard sign, a podcast, depending on where your frequency is on the topic and what you've asked for or what is coming up to be looked at depends on the type and modality by which they bring the message because they have to match the frequency of the thing, otherwise you won't see it.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:It's kind of like um if you have an issue or a problem that holds a low frequency, and the solution doesn't live at that same frequency.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:So if you're confused about something and you see it as a problem or an issue, you can't find the solution in the same place that you find yourself in the problem.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I get it.
SPEAKER_04:So that's why we teach that you've got to stop and soften the problem, soften the focus of the issue so that you can raise your frequency and allow the solution at a different frequency to come in and align with it. So you watch the videos because that's a frequency that it's been brought in on.
SPEAKER_00:I I agree with you. And it's like uh for me, that is it used to be when I would work with my hands in the wood chopper, you know, building things, I would use that time to really spiritually check in with myself. It was kind of my little meditation.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And that's what I've done now, but I've kind of switched that over to where I meditate with my mind while my higher self is working. And it is a very dedicated time for me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um uh when I get up in the morning, I like that that quiet space, nobody else's energy. I like that time to myself. Or anybody, you know, used to be anybody. I mean, where we where we previously we were at, there was hundreds of people there all the time. And so I had to get up that and get that because I never got quiet time. And so my and my quiet time is very important to me, just like yours is. We know you get your quiet time. When I go take a shower, you get your little time. That's right. Um, it is uh it's a great cycle. And so within all that, I use these things to distract my mind. And I would challenge everybody, by the way, to spend an hour by yourself every single day. It's a great time.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I definitely would suggest if you're not at a place where you can find an hour, start with 15 minutes and build up to 20 or 30. Uh, and really, like you said, really find that pocket of time where you can just sit with yourself quietly. With your own energy, quiet no TV, no other people's energy.
SPEAKER_00:Like when I get up at five, it's completely dark. There ain't nobody around, and there's not even any noise. It's quiet. I like it.
SPEAKER_04:Right. Because that way you can hear your own frequency, you can hear your own your own energy. Yeah. You can feel it.
SPEAKER_00:It's a very big time for clarity for me.
SPEAKER_04:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Now, why you started using these videos because it used to be I would sit and just play games or something, you know. Um, and here lately I've been doing these videos because of the engagement that we've had on Instagram lately. And using Instagram, uh, it's kind of for me too, another part of it is that I enjoy is is I I realize it teaches me um contrast.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, do tell.
SPEAKER_00:Like it teaches me that I don't have to live in that environment, or I can live in that environment. So I have balance within it because once it came to my awareness, it was like, okay, so why was I doing that? Oh, I get it. Because it's teaching me the reality by which I don't want, so I know the reality by which I do want.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah, kind of like a little pop quiz.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's kind of like uh throwing it out there in my reality. And so not everything, because this is one thing that I hear a lot when we work and talk to people, is this happened to me, or this happened to me, or this happened to me. And those are just little tests. This it doesn't mean that you created that in your reality.
SPEAKER_04:Or that you're doing anything wrong.
SPEAKER_00:You're doing anything wrong. It just means that's a little pop quiz that you give yourself that is thrown into your reality, and it's not that it's happening to you, you say this all the time, but it's it's happening for you.
SPEAKER_04:For you. That's that's right.
SPEAKER_00:And so, like this morning when I was sitting out there, I got about five minutes into my into that my Instagram. I was like, you know what? I am not doing this today. And so I went to playing my game and and goofing off, and then about ten minutes later, this overwhelming joy of appreciation came over. Yeah, came over me about uh everything that we're accomplishing in our life and how we're helping so many people every day. And you know, it it's we get thanked all the time for helping people. It happened this morning. I get I get two text messages this morning thanking me for helping people and for helping them. And that's all we do it for. Like everybody says, Oh my god, you're so incredible. You guys are so nice, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, that's just us. It's not that we don't we don't need you telling us thank you.
SPEAKER_04:Right, but it's a good reminder.
SPEAKER_00:It is, it's an appreciation, and they they should hold that in their and we have to be respectful of their right.
SPEAKER_04:Not only that, but if you're not accepting the appreciation when it's directed towards you, you're not allowing them to give appreciation and buying the frequency of appreciation. Right.
SPEAKER_01:No, I agree.
SPEAKER_04:And uh, you know, so that's just as important to be receptive of the appreciation that's being given because you're allowing that person to learn what the frequency of appreciation is, yes, because that's a very high vibrational, vibrational place to be.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Appreciation is right up there with that love and and all of that.
SPEAKER_00:Kind of our podcast on laughter, it's right there with it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. It's very, very high frequency appreciation. And so if they're giving appreciation to us and the things that we do, that's them kind of putting on their training wheels or reminding themselves to be in the vibration of appreciation.
SPEAKER_00:And that's where the the podcast to me is kind of leading is into the um accepting the contrast of things and understanding that if you don't, you know, everybody says, My life is but I've heard this too, my life is such a roller coaster or it's a yo-yo, or it's whatever, it's always up and down, it's never solid. And the reality of it is if everybody had the perfectly level life and they did the same thing every single day, we were little robots, everybody would be completely bored with their life. And so you are creating a world of contrast because you have to have the experiences based on your contract.
SPEAKER_04:That's the piece that you want to embrace and and acknowledge is we came to this planet Earth because it is an amazing platform to be able to experience so many different variations and versions of contrast for growth. Yep, that I mean, we there's no better place to do that because there are so many, it's a it's just a buffet of contrast.
SPEAKER_01:What a big word. Some people go to the buffet a lot.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I mean, you get to go through literally a buffet line and you get to just all you can eat what what you want to experience. And so if you've got some, you know, little corner of your process that's not quite clear to you, you may go and have a little bit of an experience as a a reminder. Oh, yeah, you know what? I'm gonna go back and retaste mustard because I don't remember what it tastes like. And you put it on your burger and you're like, yeah, you know what? No, I don't like that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So I'm gonna leave that off and I'm gonna stick with my mayonnaise, ketchup, or nothing.
SPEAKER_00:And so the contrastal, contrastual contrast, con the contrast of conspiracy theories and those kind of things that you see.
SPEAKER_04:Are you trying to say contractual?
SPEAKER_00:No, contrast I can't even say it. It'll matter.
SPEAKER_04:It's because there's a word.
SPEAKER_00:The contrast.
SPEAKER_04:The contrastal contrastual.
SPEAKER_00:It's not a word. It's my word. I can have it. There's no rules. I can have my own rule. James ism. Somebody look at my own dictionary. If you don't like it, then don't listen to it.
SPEAKER_04:Somebody look up that word. Contrast.
SPEAKER_00:You can say contractual. Why can't you say contrasttual?
SPEAKER_04:Contractual. That's a different word.
SPEAKER_00:It is a different word. It's got one letter different. C. It's got a C instead of an S. It's the exact same word. It's even spelled the same.
SPEAKER_04:Contrastural. Contractual.
SPEAKER_00:But this is the conspiracy theories for me is a is a contrast in my reality that makes me realize the bounce back of things that I do. Are those there for a distraction? Yes, but they're not there for what you think they're there for. The contrast within them isn't the is the distraction itself for your reality. And you can engage in them all you want. That's perfectly fine. But in the it stop and ask yourself, does this really affect my life? That's what I did. Does this really affect my life? Is this really part of what I want to do?
SPEAKER_04:Well, and two, this is one of the things I see people trip up on. They think that they've worked on a belief, they get it cleared up, and then they still have an experience that's very similar, that's not quite comfortable.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And they think, oh my God, I did it wrong, or I didn't do it right, or I'm doing something wrong. I didn't get all the belief cleared out. And the truth of that is that there is gap time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:There's there's gonna be little pop quizzes. Okay, so you wanted a non-drama life in this section. Let me give you this little brief experience just to make sure that's what you wanted. And uh so just because it doesn't change instantaneously doesn't mean you did it wrong. Right. It means the energy's gotta have time to spin down and spin out. It means that you're gonna give be given additional opportunities to finalize your selection, so to speak. And then it's gonna you're I say it, it's you putting together this chain of events. Yeah, you're gonna give yourself little pop quizzes to test yourself, yeah. To see if you've changed the habit within it, because you see, once you've created a belief around something, then you automatically create a habit because the the mind wants to be on autopilot as much as possible, because that's easy.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:So once you create a belief, then you go subconsciously into like a habit that becomes then second nature, uh autopilot kind of thing. Right. Well, when you go in and you update your processing system and you redefine or eliminate beliefs that no longer serve you, if you don't go then and look at the habit, which is now an autopilot, especially if you've been doing it for several years, then the same types of scenarios may continue to pop up.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:So then you've got to go back and say, okay, did all of the habit get changed?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Right. So uh for example, if you want less gossip going on in your bubble and you redefined the belief that okay, um gossip doesn't make life exciting and fun, right? Like uh one of my guardians used to live there. Um a parent. My mother loved to be part of the gossip world, so I learned that from her. Yeah. So I gotta see what the neighbors are doing. I gotta see what the people at the bridge club are doing, and I live in this world of a gossip loop.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:When you get older and you decide, you know what, I I don't really like that crap. You redefine the belief, and it's clean and clear now that you don't want that.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:But then if you didn't go in and you don't consciously aware of your habit, and you keep going to the water hole where all the gossip happens and not catch yourself being there, or you keep finding yourself going to the group who's standing around gossiping at work or whatever, and you continue the habit, right? Then and you're not aware of it and you don't catch it and you don't make yourself start changing it, then you're still kind of holding on to that energy loop through the habits. That's why I say beliefs, patterns, and programs, because the patterns, aka habits have to be addressed as well.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:They you've got to you've got to address the beliefs, you've got to get those rewritten, you've got to address the habits, and then any programming, which is shit you're reading on TV, the the people you're hanging around with that keep telling you the same crap, the words you're telling yourself. So that's the big one. That's programming that I talk about when I say beliefs, patterns, and programming. You've got to start changing the programming. Stop telling yourself I'm broke or I'm I'm old or I'm old or whatever that nonsense is.
SPEAKER_00:I've heard that one a lot. I'm not smart.
SPEAKER_04:If you go in and delete the belief, but you're still doing the habit and you're still programming yourself with the words coming out of your own damn mouth, right? You might as well just not even bother.
SPEAKER_00:That's correct. Yep. Which is gonna be a step-by-step process I release in my new book, by the way. Nice. The other part of that that I want to add to is make the have make sure everybody understands the one thing. That contrast in your life is very much normal. How you perceive that contrast is where you have to look at your beliefs.
SPEAKER_04:That's right. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Because your perception of your the the perception of your contrast that you that you actually view or pay attention to is bringing to your reality because there's millions of contrast-ual I said the word again. Contrastural situations that pop up in your day.
SPEAKER_04:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:But not everything gets your attention.
SPEAKER_04:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:So when you when it does get your attention, you have to say, hmm. Why?
SPEAKER_04:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:And figure out why in that is do I need to look at what contrast am I trying to experience here?
SPEAKER_04:Right. Why what is it showing me? What is it symbolizing? What is it mirroring to me? Why did it grab my attention? You're exactly right.
SPEAKER_00:And that's what I did when this when I would after 30 minutes sitting there, I was like, why am I doing this? It grabbed my attention. And then so I was like, okay, because there are thousands times a day I get distracted by something. But it's it's not not always a contrast either. It's sometimes it's just like I'm distracted. And so don't hold yourself accountable for having contrast until you perceive it differently. You don't like that comment?
SPEAKER_04:I so you always hold yourself accountable.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Well don't don't judge yourself wrong or right.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe I used the wrong word there.
SPEAKER_04:And so I think I think we I think it would be better to clean that up. So say what you said again.
SPEAKER_00:So don't what I said in exactly the same way. Okay, so I said don't hold yourself accountable for the perception of your contrast of your experience until you until you change the perception on it.
SPEAKER_04:And so when you so holding yourself accountable, you've got to hold yourself accountable. If you don't, then you'll convince yourself that it's like like like you don't have to be responsible.
SPEAKER_00:Well, where I was going with that was is identifying why. Then hold yourself accountable for the why behind it. Oh, okay, so I get it. Now I understand why this contrast is in my life, why this distraction is there, so to speak. And then then look at the perception and the beliefs behind it. Why did I perceive it this way? And what are my beliefs that are causing me to perceive this contrast in this way when it's just an experience?
SPEAKER_04:Right. So I think a better way, and this is just my opinion, I think a better way to go about it would be acknowledge it, which makes you still stay accountable because if if you teach yourself that you don't always have to hold yourself accountable, you can get into some mucky water if you're not careful. Oh, mucky water. You then you've got to discern when it's okay to not hold yourself accountable and when you must hold yourself accountable. Right. And if you lose the accountability, then you give yourself a place to hide whenever you are doing things that are not beneficial for you.
SPEAKER_01:Agreed.
SPEAKER_04:So I I would say you always hold yourself accountable, but you don't necessarily make any reactive or responsive movements or actions until you evaluate your perspective of it.
SPEAKER_00:Agreed. Agreed.
SPEAKER_04:That would be a better plan to me.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, I know I agree.
SPEAKER_04:So if you're experiencing a situation and you notice that it's uncomfortable, or you're having uh an experience of contrast that you don't necessarily prefer, stop and ask yourself, okay, what perspective am I looking, what lens am I looking at this through? Why is this uncomfortable to me?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:That keeps you accountable and it keeps you aware and it keeps you in that place of being able to see it when it happens, but then it it will it will stop and provoke you to ask questions of, okay, wait a minute, why did that make me feel a certain way?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Why why do I care? What it it obviously jiggered something around inside of me, right? And that's what you look at. Then you go a little deeper and you say, okay, well, am I looking at this with a clear perspective, or is my perspective skewed a little bit?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And if it's skewed a little bit, is it because you're pulling from an old file from a past experience that made it uncomfortable?
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Are you still holding on to beliefs that are maybe entangled with other things? Or is it just a pop quiz that says, hey, we just wanted to test to see if you had gotten rid of or redefined the beliefs. You're working on your habits and you're not letting the programs be uh implanted.
SPEAKER_00:Right. No, I I am completely on board with you. And there's one thing I think we need to touch on.
SPEAKER_03:Sure.
SPEAKER_00:Is when that contrast comes into your reality, most of the time you don't perceive it or when that distraction or contrast comes in. You don't perceive it wrong unless there's an emotion attached to it. And that's when your emotional guidance systems is is your way to navigate your life that you've been given.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so if it creates an emotion, like on these some of these conspiracy theories, I've seen people they'll reply anger or sadness or whatever. If it's bringing up an emotion, that's when that's when you need to stop and say, okay, wait a minute, why am I why is this making me angry? This is a video on a phone or a video on a computer that you don't even know if it's real or not.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Why is it making me angry? Why is it making me sad? Why is it making me upset? Because that's what brings it into your true reality and your perception of what's going on.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because I mean, if it's a topic that, say, for example, brings you sadness, is it bringing you sadness because you experienced a similar situation that did make you sad? Um, perhaps because you perceive uh the situation differently. Is it something that made you angry? And anger is a good one. So if you if it if it triggered anger in you and you dig around deep in it, were you in a similar situation and it embarrassed you, or it made you feel like you were treated unjustly, or something like that that would provoke anger, then you dive in and you deal with that.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And you figure out what are your beliefs around just behavior.
SPEAKER_00:You know, for me, they're talking about these conspiracy theory videos. For me, the emotion that came up within me was mistrust.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, trust is a big one.
SPEAKER_00:And I I was you know, because I don't trust I learned a long time ago, very long time ago, you don't trust everything you see on TV or anything you see on the internet, or you don't trust everything you read on the internet. And I was trying to build that up because we're putting stuff out on the internet, and I want people to be able to trust what we say.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And so it it created a contrastial moment for me. I used it again that caused an emotion of mistrust. Like I don't trust what these people are putting out. I don't and so how are people gonna trust ours? And so I had to work through that belief system.
SPEAKER_04:Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And and I'm not telling you that I'm not telling anybody out there that that we're 100% right about anything. But what I am telling you is is there's ways of figuring out what's right by the processes by which we give you.
SPEAKER_04:Right. And they work for us.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And they and they do work 100% for us.
SPEAKER_04:You build your own trust.
SPEAKER_00:This thought process turned my life around too.
SPEAKER_04:Testing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Does this work for me? And if it doesn't, file 13 in man.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But don't uh not try it.
SPEAKER_00:Right, I agree. And and just know this, I think, is is the last thing I would touch on with the grinders today. Is that the result that comes out of this stuff once you look at it, is okay. Whatever it is that you're working on, you know, don't get mad at yourself for getting mad about it if it pops back up in your reality. Um just trust in the process and look at the belief or the emotion that causes the belief or the belief that causes the emotion behind it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it's okay. It is okay. You know, we're here for the experience of life. We're here to add to the collective consciousness for in this in this realm, and then we we jump back and forth in dimensions, and you know, we teach each dimension everything that we bring with us. And it's okay to have those experiences. It's okay to have that contrast in your life.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because you know, even saying I'm having a human perspective in it, that's another topic that we'll have to come at.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's a big one. Exactly. We we do it our I mean, I I do it all the time.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's it's a it's an excuse because you're judging some. Yeah, you're giving yourself an excuse to have an emotional. That's the point of this whole game. Yep. And if you're judging yourself, you're making it okay by saying, Oh, I was being so human in that moment. That really is saying to yourself inside that you're judging that as right and wrong or not doing it perfectly or correctly or accurately. So just be careful with that. I got asked at it.
SPEAKER_00:I got asked the other day is how how are you and I so confident in our spiritualism?
SPEAKER_04:And it's pretty so confident.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, how are we so confident? And I I can identify that, and I wouldn't throw this in because I know the person that asked me listens. And it's very simple is when you go through these processes the way we teach you guys, then you get this inner confidence inside of you.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, you so confidence comes from doing seeing the results and getting validation for the results. Yes. That builds confidence.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, I agree.
SPEAKER_04:And so just like with your intuition, very similar to like a new job. When you first go to your new job, you're not confident and you're uncertain, and there's an unknown. But the as each day passes and you learn more about your job, and you're able to do those tasks perfectly and beautifully and correctly, time and time again, to where they're just natural, you know them like you know the back of your hand, you're very confident in your job and your ability to do it. Correct, especially if you've been doing it for years and some new person comes in, your confidence really shines through because you're like, Yeah, this is easy. I I'm fully confident in my job.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Well, our spiritual practice is no different when when you have to remember, you and I both have been doing this since we were we ones. Yes, right. And uh the more you practice it, the more you're given validation by your higher self, and you are you allow those frequencies and those experiences to come in and you get validation, the more confident that you're gonna be, and nobody can shake that from you.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Because unfortunately, we're a seeing is believing crowd.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And so you'll test yourself and you'll you'll go along your practice, especially if you're new, looking for validation. And that's when that ball, that book, for example, will pop off the shelf and give you exactly the script that you needed to read when you're toggling around a topic in your head, or that feather will be on the ground in front of you that represents, hey, you're on the right path, or uh a hello from your spirit guides. Yeah. Right. So for me, I use the feather. Right. And and whenever one comes across my path, it's either A telling me, Yep, you're on the right path, keep going, or it's a hey, hello, we're still with you.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_04:That's what I use the feather for.
SPEAKER_05:Great.
SPEAKER_04:And so anytime I am subconsciously questioning any either one of those two topics, every single time I'll get a feather.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yesterday you got one.
SPEAKER_04:I did. And and so it's just that represents to me. So that's how we get confident in anything, not just our spiritual beliefs, is that whenever you practice them enough and you get enough validation, you begin to believe that.
SPEAKER_01:Agreed.
SPEAKER_04:All all across the board, not just in certain topics.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Because there are some topics that we still I I can only speak for myself. There are a few topics that I'm still kind of wobbly in. Um on an occasion, I still need clarification on, but I am a pretty big stickler and very confident in my abilities to interact and communicate with my guides and my counsels and my body.
SPEAKER_00:Right. No, it's practice. I agree. It takes practice and validation.
SPEAKER_04:Right. You find a process that works for you, you do your process. That's another thing that I think we do consistently that we don't let the outside world interfere with is our personal process and our joint process.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:You know, like in the mornings we sit and have our coffee talk as a as a unit, a you and I, but then like you were describing earlier, we have our own individual process.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:To where we get 30 minutes or an hour alone time to just work our own individual process, and we do that every single day. And for me, I've been doing that every single day for 40 years.
SPEAKER_00:Mine was on and off for a while.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, there's there were moments where I strayed away from it, small snippets, but overall, collectively, I would say I for a good 40 years of that time, I have worked a process of some sort. Now it's not the same as it was. It changes.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And it changes based on where I'm at in my evolution. Yeah. As I evolve, we change and our processes change, and that's okay. And you gotta allow that to happen.
SPEAKER_00:Agreed. So agreed. Well, I feel complete. Do you feel complete?
SPEAKER_04:I am always good to go, yo.
SPEAKER_00:Yo, yo, yo, yo. Hey guys, we appreciate y'all listening. Remember, contrast is okay.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Having emotions based on the contrast is okay. And if you think it's a distraction, it probably is. And you just gotta figure out why.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, y'all, look us up on our website, www.themercenters.org. That's t-h e m-e-r-c, c n t-e-r-s.org. Or you can just Google search Dr. Jenny Emery and she pops right up on the first four or five Google things. It'd be the easiest way. The website's on there. Well, we have the stores up and running. It's the the salty tarot at salty tarot.myshopify dot com.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And there's a uh link that uh from the website you can get to it. And uh watch for our new app that's gonna be rolling out, the salty tarot.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. Got the books, uh, the books up on Amazon.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, your book's back up on Amazon. We got that fixed. Uh uh mine will be uploaded the next day or two completely, and my new book I'm gonna try to finish in the next week.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Because I've I've got about 11 days left of writing on it. So eleven days of the step-by-step process. But it's gonna be called Unlocked.
SPEAKER_03:Unlocked.
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