The Spiritual Grind
Dr. Jenni PhD,RN,CHLC,CH and medium and Rev. James ORD, MhsB have spent countless years studying and practicing many modalities within the "Spiritual" domain. Dr. Jenni has dedicated her life to helping others by attending countless schools and developing each of her practices and strategies. Rev. James has studied many modalities and Native American practices and they have Both decided to open their library of knowledge to share this information with everyone in a down to earth style, with hope to assist in making your journey easier and more abundant.
The Spiritual Grind
Code Blue: I Died Three Times and Lived to Tell the Tale
What happens when we die? It's humanity's oldest question, and one that continues to challenge our understanding of consciousness and reality.
The scientific community often dismisses near-death experiences as mere chemical reactions in a dying brain—endorphins creating comforting hallucinations as consciousness fades. But this explanation falls woefully short when confronted with the evidence. How do we explain people accurately recalling conversations and events that occurred while they were clinically dead, with no heartbeat or brain activity?
In this deeply personal episode, our hosts share their own encounters with the threshold between life and death. One host recounts three separate near-death experiences, each one serving as "training wheels" for the most profound encounter—a hot tub accident that left them clinically dead for over three minutes. The description of being engulfed in warm, loving light and communicating telepathically with entities that felt like family challenges our materialistic understanding of existence.
"The experience is absolutely indescribable," they explain. "Until you go to that place and can experience it, there are no human words to really describe the feeling of just the unconditional, warm, welcoming love, of just being in the presence of that natural state of being."
What's particularly striking is how consistent these accounts are across cultural and religious boundaries. The warm light, the profound peace, the sense of "coming home"—these elements appear again and again in NDE accounts worldwide. This universality suggests something fundamental about what awaits us beyond physical life.
Whether you approach this topic from a scientific or spiritual perspective, near-death experiences invite us to contemplate the nature of consciousness itself. Does our awareness truly end when our bodies die, or does it transition to another state of being? The growing body of evidence suggests the latter may be more likely than we once thought.
Have you experienced an NDE or know someone who has? Share your story in the comments—we'd love to hear from you and possibly feature compelling accounts on future episodes.
Good morning everybody. Welcome back to the podcast, Welcome to the Spiritual Grind again. Good morning. I just want to take a minute and thank all of our listeners, Absolutely. I am glad you all download us and put up with our shenanigans. We enjoy doing it and we're glad that you are here to support us. We appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a fun little hoedown.
Speaker 2:We're doing what with hoes? You didn't invite me. Oh, you mean gardening? Okay, we're gardening with hoes. Well, guys, we've been uh dealing and talking about uh, our relationship podcasts, and we were talking about spiritual sex and we were talking about uh, we had a couple episodes on episodes on sex, and then we're also talking about appreciation.
Speaker 1:When you say spiritual sex, you mean sex, but looking at it from a spiritual standpoint, spiritual standpoint, correct?
Speaker 2:Okay, that's what it says in the description too.
Speaker 1:I didn't know if you were meaning like tantra or something like that.
Speaker 2:I'm not smart, I can't even spell tantra.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, there may be some listeners that haven't been following us, that are just tuning in. Yeah, and just for clarity purposes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to clarify.
Speaker 2:Nice. Appreciate the clarity.
Speaker 1:For others.
Speaker 2:We like clarity.
Speaker 1:We like it.
Speaker 2:So do you have a topic today?
Speaker 1:I don't.
Speaker 2:You don't.
Speaker 1:No, my article that I wrote this morning was about near-death experiences.
Speaker 2:Oh, that would be a great topic Actually, because I had a topic, but that's not like a much more fun topic.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I printed the article off. It was a quick little 1,200 words. Oh, was a quick little 1,200 words.
Speaker 2:Oh, just a quick little, 1,200 words Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:Well, what came up for me? You know, we like to watch that ancient alien little episode thing. What do you call it? Season Series?
Speaker 2:Ancient Aliens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they were talking about in the particular episode we watched, which I think we've seen it before.
Speaker 1:I think we've seen them all. They were talking about near-death experiences and how the scientific world is still trying to put it off as some sort of endorphin release that causes the mind to do these weird, peculiar things. To try and explain some people's experiences with it. Of you know, because there's people out there that have had experiences where they can actually see events going on in an operating room or in an ER and they're they describe it as they're hovering over their own body watching this technique being done or this or the conversations and they can. When they come back into their physical body, they can actually quote people word for word and it's turning science on its head, basically because they don't understand how can that happen. But they're doing what science does, which is to kind of push it to the side and say it's some sort of chemical release inside the body and the brain that makes absolutely no logical inside the body and the brain that causes absolutely no logical sense the way that they're trying to dismiss it.
Speaker 2:That sounds like a bunch of hooey to me.
Speaker 1:A bunch of hogwash A bunch of hooey gooey yuckiness. And I, having experienced it not once, not twice, but three times, have a different perspective on my interpretation of it for myself, and it's just for myself, on what it is and why it happens. Of course the metaphysicians and the metaphysical world see it much differently. Of course the metaphysicians and the metaphysical world see it much differently and you know, oftentimes we try and provide information for the scientific world to help them. I don't know, have some more stuff to explore?
Speaker 2:Get out of their science book and actually figure something out.
Speaker 1:I mean because here's my thought on that, or just look at it from a different standpoint.
Speaker 2:The scientists and doctors like to teach us that everybody's a little bit different.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yet why is it that everybody that has near-death experiences almost verbatim describe it exactly the same?
Speaker 1:I mean, I can't even go that far because there's some people that have their near-death experiences in the ease as coined the phrase in the ease, in the ease are definitely much different. There are some out there that have, uh, described very shadow like hell, hell-like experiences that kind of scared the shit out of them. You know so there's varying degrees of experiences that are taking place out there, but you're right, there is a very large percentage that describe going into the warm light and some aspects of it that are very similar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what I find interesting, because I actually studied these at one time, because there was one time when I was younger and I had been on a drunken stupor bender- why am I not surprised?
Speaker 1:I?
Speaker 2:had probably partied for four or five days, and I sat in my living room floor and I wondered how, when I woke up the next morning, did I have a complete conversation with my dead grandfather, and so I often wondered if that was an NDE for me at that time, because, who knows, that was pretty crazy back then for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, if you read my article at any point in your life, you'll see how I explain that type of experience as well, Because we all come with the abilities to do all of these different things. It's just what limits us from being able to do any one of these special gifts is our beliefs or fears or perception around them, and our abilities, our perceived ability to do it. That's what blocks us from being able to embrace any aspect of it, whether it's completely leave my body and then come back, or whether it's talking to dead people when I'm in a what would you call it a coke coma yeah, a coke coma A coke coma A coke coma.
Speaker 1:Whatever A party near death party experience.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I had a second one too, when I was 14. My mom had sent me home with one of her employees and her boyfriend.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they'd take me home, which was like 24 miles down the road, down the highway, down highway 20 in oklahoma, and they got to argue and going down the highway and there was three of us sitting in the front of this chevy love pickup which, if you don't know what a chevy the pickup is, they're those itty bitty old pickups, yeah, the little bitty ones, without an extended cab probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it was a single cab, yeah and I was pretty much hanging out the passenger window because at this time I had went through my growth spurt and I was pretty tall and pretty lanky and I was hanging out the passenger window and they got to arguing going down the road and got in this fight and she had to be doing 80 or 90. And she crossed over into the other lane and we had a one-ton Ford Dually head-on.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was crazy. I was ejected from the vehicle through the windshield and I didn't don't remember anything about it other than my face going through the windshield yeah well, and let me rephrase that I didn't remember anything about it and but I started having these visions, I guess of it yeah in this cloudy area.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of me going through the windshield and looking while I'm watching myself going through the windshield and looking back and seeing kim hit the windshield. That show that was a. The person was driving was named kim and she hit the windshield and cut her throat. I mean she almost died right there on the spot and she broke both her legs. It was a crazy thing. And then her boyfriend, paul, who was in the mental he wasn't driving because he had been drinking. That's what they were fighting about. It was a five-speed and I seen him disappear under the dash as I'm watching it in the video. And still to this day nobody knows where that gear shift went. By the way, oh, no, bendover.
Speaker 2:I don't know. We know it disappeared, but the truck was annihilated, literally. The bed of the truck was folded over on top of the cab where it had, just, like you know, accordioned down, and I got lucky with it. But I walked Somehow. I got up and walked in because it happened right in front of a convenience store. When she crossed over in that lane, somebody was pulling out of the convenience store in this big one-ton Ford Dually and neither one of them were hurt. It broke his left ankle. That was it, because he had a big. It was a ranching area. But what a point I was getting to is is I got up and walked into the convenience store and asked them to call 9-1-1 and the lady said oh, you're okay, son, go ahead and sit down because I was bleeding profusely from my forehead yeah and, uh, I remember sitting down and crunching.
Speaker 2:When I sat down and I don't remember because my back was so jacked in my neck at the time, but I just remember having this crunching sound and I had broke my collarbone but I didn't break it. It wasn't a full sever, but it was crunching when I was moving my neck. It was moving around. I could hear, I could. I think I could hear the grinding in my ears, but nobody else could. I don't know, but I had visions of this happening and I often wondered if it didn't kill me and I just happened to refuse to leave at that time and came back.
Speaker 2:I got up, literally off the highway. I remember I watched myself, I brushed off my clothes and I'm looking and I'm bleeding everywhere. There's blood everywhere and I have no idea where it's coming from because I couldn't feel my head. And then next thing, I know I'm in the hospital and so I don't know if that vision's real, if that really happened. To this day I have no idea if that really happened. All I know is I told them to call 911, because that was right after 911 started and the lady knew my parents. I said you can call my mom too if you would. And they life flighted Kim and Paul out and I don't know what happened to me. I don't know how I ended up in the hospital.
Speaker 1:All I know is I ended up in the hospital and I woke up with my family and everybody standing around me holding my hand I see, it was crazy yeah, I mean, you know you'll have to check in with it for yourself and because it's very much in a fog, like people describe it in my vision, right and so. Yeah, you know, that's the thing. Like with any of the air quote gifts, special gifts we tend to dismiss them as something more humanly logical, because we've taught ourselves to do so based on the acceptability of the collective or the society Right, and in doing that you actually can kind of block yourself from knowing what actually happened.
Speaker 1:Knowing what actually happened, unless it's absolutely necessary that you know the finite details for expansion of your journey or for some part of the mission that you came here for, and it's vital that you know the details and know for sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it happened.
Speaker 2:I know that that situation changed the perspective on how I changed my perspective on life.
Speaker 1:How so.
Speaker 2:Well, because then I was more.
Speaker 1:Because when it happened, you were about how old.
Speaker 2:I was 14. I had just turned 14.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was in the summer. It was probably the. Actually it was July 4th weekend. I know it was July 4th weekend in the summer. It was probably the. Actually it was july 4th weekend. Yeah, I know what, it was july 4th weekend in the summer after I turned 14. Yeah and uh, it changed my perspective because it made me realize how, how tough the human body is and how invincible we really can be if we want to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was. I guess it just made me feel like I could take on the world. I guess.
Speaker 1:Even more than you already thought you could.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you know, what's funny about it is that gas station is the gas station that I actually worked at on Saturdays, loading feet.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But in my vision I walk in and walk in and hey, lady, but I know all of them, yeah, and so it's kind of weird situation that you referred to her as lady yeah, instead of calling her by her name. Right, which, uh, which it was, dottie was her name. Instead of saying hey, dottie, because I used to go in there all the time. That was the store my mom used to send me to to buy cigarettes on my bicycle when I was eight yeah and I would.
Speaker 2:I would go in there, I would get it when I would get sandwiches and stuff. Now that was earning money and started hauling hay and her husband is the one I hauled all the hay for. Yeah, and it was uh, but I, so I knew them personally, but in my remembering of it I didn't call her by her name. I, I was like hey lady, can you call 911?
Speaker 2:And she didn't call me by my name, and so that's why I wondered if it was just a vision of what had happened. And that really didn't happen. You know what I mean. It was like one of those NDEs that you just don't really know if it's factual or not, because I don't know.
Speaker 1:Right. So what could have possibly happened is it's rabbit hole.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:You want a sandwich?
Speaker 2:I went to the higher heavens and they said, no, you're not welcome yet, you got to go back.
Speaker 1:No, what could have happened is that you definitely had an NDE, definitely had an NDE. You're laying in the road and instead of you presenting yourself as you creating such an alarm or, oh my god, panic state to Dottie you may have in a have in a spiritual version of you went.
Speaker 1:I cloaked yourself in a different suit, so to speak, so that she didn't see you as little jimmy yeah, she saw you as somebody else so that she could keep her tactful mind about her and call 911 and get help, Whereas if you had gone in as the little Jimmy she knew bleeding near death, it may have put her in a state of utter panic where she wasn't able to do anything for you to help because her system completely shut down.
Speaker 2:You know, later on I asked her if she remembered me coming in and telling her to call 911. Do anything for you to help because her system completely shut down. You know, later on I asked her if she remembered me coming in and telling her to call 911. No-transcript, so I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't really know, but that was later on, right, and so I mean, like I said that could have been, what happened is, is you presented as a, as an, as an individual that she didn't recognize, to save the panic, so that she could keep herself together and not have that emotional attachment to somebody she recognized in that state and be able to call 911 and get help there as quick as possible? It's a spiritual orchestration.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it could be, and you know, I don't know. To this day I still don't know what transpired. I do remember Kim was jacked up man, she had a brain bleed, she had. They had to do surgery, open, open cranial surgery on her. And paul I don't know, that guy was just too drunk. I think he was just too drunk to get hurt. All he did was have a cut, two cuts on his wrist from hitting the windshield or something, and we still don't know where the gear shift went. But that whole experience, we were lucky because the fire department was like right there, a quarter mile from the fire department, and so they were there pretty quickly. But you know, it was a lucky situation and I often wondered if that wasn't a near-death experience for me.
Speaker 1:Possibly you just have to check in and see how it feels for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And sometimes you'll get the information and sometimes you won't. If it's a necessary piece of information that you need to continue with your mission, then you'll be given the information. Yeah, just a matter of asking for clarity and then allowing the information to come in.
Speaker 2:But that's with any topic, really yeah, a lot of people don't believe in them. I've had this conversation with. Well, of course I, but that's with any topic. Really, yeah, a lot of people don't believe in them. I've had this conversation with well, of course I mean.
Speaker 1:That's why the different perspectives are out. There is that they're. They're still toggling around with what happens to the human consciousness, or the essence, right? Does it live only in the brain or does it go somewhere else? And a lot of people cannot wrap their mind around or conceptualize the fact that there's this consciousness that can live out there in the quantum etheric world without it being attached to a physical thing. They just can't wrap their mind around it, especially highly scientific brains. They tend to have trouble with that kinds of concepts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know which is what the metaphysicians do.
Speaker 1:They challenge the physicians. There's a place for us all.
Speaker 2:Oh, I agree.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Totally agree. You know, I had a conversation one time with one of our former customers at our previous employment. He had had a brain bleed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And when I told him I know you're going to the hospital because he wasn't making any sense, he was laying on the floor not making any sense, right? And then after they found out and they fixed it and he came back and he told me he's like I was sitting there, uh, dancing with my wife oh yeah and so I was like huh, what do you mean dancing?
Speaker 2:he's like I don't know. I was when, when I came, when I came to and realized I was in the back of the ambulance, I was dancing with my wife and she had died.
Speaker 1:I'm a part of that, yeah she had died what?
Speaker 2:a year or so before that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was a pretty. I was like so was that a near-death experience? And of course he's. You know he's staunch.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:He was like oh no, I don't think so, if God wanted to take me.
Speaker 1:So by definition, near-death experience is defined as having no viable signs of life in the physical body, meaning no heartbeat, no respirations and usually no brain activity. Yeah, sometimes they'll let the brain activity part of it slide, because the brain activity can sometimes still exist even after the heart and the respirations have stopped.
Speaker 2:Well, they just proved that scientifically.
Speaker 1:We just seen that other people are explaining.
Speaker 2:Well, is there a time limit on it?
Speaker 1:Because it could have happened is so that humans don't have to experience the full embodiment of the physical body, hurting or the fear of losing consciousness, or pain or some of that there is a point in time where your higher self will remove you from the physical body so that you don't have to feel those things or have fear. But your heart still beats and your lungs still breathe subconscious compartmentalize I guess maybe well something like that whatever, I don't even know what that means. What, what does that mean?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I'm just making some fancy word up, make me sound, and so that's much different than a true near-death experience where you have no actual vital signs, so to speak, there is no heart rhythm on the monitor, there is no respirations taking place Like you literally have, like you see on TV this line that goes across the screen.
Speaker 1:So what he was having was he was taken to a temporary holding place with his consciousness, just so that he didn't and was waiting and holding so that he didn't have to necessarily lay there and know that things are not right. This is not right.
Speaker 2:let me get anxious, let me get scared oh, what you're saying yeah, I get it um because you're saying that his body created that to compartmentalize the fear of dying?
Speaker 1:created the vision or higher self or higher self, yeah right, took his consciousness to or showed him I'm smelling what you're sipping in come and let's sit in this healing place and here dance with your wife while you wait, and would you entertain her because I'm really trying to take care of her.
Speaker 2:Would you like a martini right?
Speaker 1:um, and so there are holding places, uh, the realm of multidimensional, multiverse, situations, okay, which are different than near order. What?
Speaker 2:was that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. Near death experiences. I don't know what just happened, but that was my tongue got all twisted up and tripped over the words NDE. Nde those are two separate situations yeah so that's what was happening with him and the rabbit hole situation in that was by design. You were supposed to find him and call 911 and take him through the gateway to come back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he wouldn't respond to me when I found him.
Speaker 1:And that was all structured. He was just laying on was just a moment for him to get to go back and see his wife yeah and have a dancing experience.
Speaker 1:And sometimes we have to move away from the physical body to be able to do that, especially if we have very strong, staunch beliefs that won't let us do that in our dream state yeah, I get it, um, and so there have to be, sometimes, situations that remove us from the monkey mind and the belief system, so that we can go into a much deeper kind of hypnotic brain state or mind state, uh, to be able to take us to that realistic feeling place of interacting with the non-physical.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I know he was his staunch religious views. Would I have a near-death experience, or what?
Speaker 1:And he was like, oh no, if God wouldn't take me, he'd take me now, right or what, and he was like, oh no, if god wouldn't take me, he'd take me now, right, and those beliefs would not have ever let him, um, have that deep kind of visceral experience of dancing with his wife, like he had whenever he had this brain bleed, yeah, and so sometimes, in order to create that, we have to put them in.
Speaker 1:We I'm sorry, I'm channeling yeah they're telling me that they have to put people humans in situations where they release their humanness completely in order to give them the kind of experience that they long for you know so with him. He could have been very well sitting around wishing that he had one more opportunity to just dance with his wife, because that was his sweet, sweet memory yeah and he, you know, maybe that was what he was longing for.
Speaker 1:And in order to give him that opportunity to experience that, because of his very staunch and very rigid beliefs around death and dying or meditation or whatever, they couldn't raise his frequency high enough to get him detached enough through dream state to be able to take him in and really let him feel like he was dancing with his wife, instead of it being a dream, yeah and so they put him in a situation where they it had to be a situation that he could make logical sense out of yeah when he came back around to his physical body I get it and so for him, the logical part of that was oh, I had a brain bleed, and so I am part of the scientific world that, if it, if I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. So what happened is is that my mind took me to a place that was more pleasant while I was injured.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I came back around when I was fixed by modern medicine. He can digest that a lot easier than he could where you were trying to take him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get it. Yeah, so that's kind of how that works. So you're going to tell us about yours?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, of course, sure, okay, so my journey. It looks like this. This is my journey. So as a child, I can remember going to sleep at night and having what some people would call astral.
Speaker 2:Projecting.
Speaker 1:Projecting kind of like scenarios where I would lay in bed and I could literally feel myself coming out of my physical body, and there was a part of me that found it curious. But then there was another part of me that is scared, and so I created a fear around it. It happened several times, but it scared me because as a child I didn't really understand it, and the fear then made it stop happening okay but at that time it was just an introductory level of getting me used to being detached from the physical body.
Speaker 1:Okay, I didn't know that at the time.
Speaker 2:Fair enough.
Speaker 1:So then, for me, I had the procedure where I ended up with a pacemaker. Oh and um, so by accident, they um ablated part of my heart. Yeah, and weren't expecting to.
Speaker 2:I ended up with a pacemaker. Long story short, can you? Imagine what the surgery was like right when the doctor was like, all the nurses come running and he's like he was probably cussing oh, I'm sure um, my experience was not the traditional.
Speaker 1:Oh, I went into the warm light kind of thing in that particular one, but that's not what it was for. It was to. It was training wheels for me. I do have a vague recollection of remembering that, of hearing them talk, and one of the statements that was made is oh shit, she has no pulse oh shit I do remember hearing that yeah um, at the time that that all went on in my life, I didn't think much of it.
Speaker 1:That wasn't the focus Right. The focus was WTF? I go in for a procedure. I'm supposed to be in and out same day. I go home all as well. I'm still there at seven o'clock at night when I come out of anesthesia 14 hours later and I have all these wires attached to me and I'm like, why the F?
Speaker 1:am I still here? And why do I look like I am half robot, like what is going on, and my family's all gathered around me giving me that oh my God, we thought you were dead, look. And so I'm just trying to figure out why am I not at home and why am I still here. Like very bewildered.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah Not kind of understanding, because the way the procedure was explained to me is I'd go in at seven, they would do a little exploration and I would be out and having lunch, quite possibly at home by noon. And having lunch quite possibly at home by noon. Yeah, and so I didn't, necessarily I didn't do the whole. Call your family, call your mother, call your father, please be here while I go in for this procedure Long term, like what do I do with my kids long term.
Speaker 2:So the neighbor was literally watching them until I got home and, like I made, temporary plans for life probably not the best idea well, I I the way they'd explain to me and so and fortunately you can make the little screech noise oh
Speaker 1:it went in a different direction. Um, but for me that particular episode wasn't about the near death for me, so I didn't give it a lot of focus. I kind of just was like, okay, whatever, I'm here now, let's make the best of this situation. But what it was was. It was like that kindergarten first grade, first exposure to okay, you left your body, you came back. It was easy, it was simple. There was no pain. You were able to find your body pop back in, no big deal.
Speaker 1:Mama, mama, I'm coming home so then, the second time it happened, I had my breasts lifted. After years of breastfeeding, they got a little dreamy.
Speaker 2:Well, I lift them all, the time.
Speaker 1:It is nice when you hold them, because they're heavy.
Speaker 1:Surgery was five or six, I don't know eight hours long. I don't even know what happened is. I was wheeled into the recovery room and the anesthesiologist I guess felt it necessary to give me a little extra pain medicine so that when I started to come fully around, I guess felt it necessary to give me a little extra pain medicine so that when I started to come fully around I wasn't in pain. Well, as you well know, I don't take a lot of medications, so I am highly, highly receptive to pain medication. I literally take a 200 milligram Advil when I'm having pain and I cut it in fourths. That's how receptive my body is to pain medicine.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So she gave me a large dose of it and I decided that I was going to stop breathing.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 1:When I came into the recovery room.
Speaker 2:Just want to make sure that their code kit was all set up.
Speaker 1:I guess so. Get ready, because we're going to test your.
Speaker 2:We're going to test your abilities today.
Speaker 1:We're going to test your abilities today, and so I decided to stop breathing.
Speaker 2:And then Then all you hear is code blue code blue code blue. No Code blue code blue. Then all you hear is code blue code blue code blue no.
Speaker 1:Code blue code blue Well, so the way it was described to me, because, you have to remember, I had this procedure done in the hospital where I work. Oh, so you knew everybody too, and so all these people knew me, and so they shared the aftermath of it with me. I didn't get treated like an average patient outside of here Like oh my God, jenny, you died. Don't ever, effing, do that to us again, you BIDCH. If you're going to do that, you have to have express written permission.
Speaker 1:Apparently there was not anyone really standing there, and I didn't breathe long enough to where the heart actually stopped as well.
Speaker 2:For a minute, so they had nobody observing you they didn't, I didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 1:I'm just like okay, as your shift leader next time I come in to have a procedure I am going to kick your ass if you do that you better be standing by and they're like okay, well, if you decide to stop breathing and you decide to stop heart beating, uh, we're gonna kick your ass right back Again. For me, it wasn't about going into the light and having that whole drawn out experience.
Speaker 2:This was still training wheels for me.
Speaker 1:Let us show you again. We can pop out and you can pop back in very easy and find that frequency. So I do remember hearing them conversate over my body. I remember seeing different individuals, like I'm at the foot of the bed outside of my body and I see the different nurses and the anesthesiologist. They brought the crash cart over and then that's all of my remembrance of it. But again, it later on was given to me in the complete download of the purpose of it, was given to me in the complete download of the purpose of it, which was it wasn't meant for me to have this full-on exit experience. It was just training wheels to work me through the fear that had been created as a child. Piece by piece, layer by layer. Then we fast forward to my third experience which was the big kahuna.
Speaker 1:I call it the big kahuna. Yeah, that you were involved in. Yeah, yeah that was not fun, and my perception of the experience and your perception of the experience were two entirely different experiences. Yes, I did not enjoy this at all Right, so we had been in the hot tub.
Speaker 2:No, first we had been out drinking at the bar all night and we were pretty lit yeah.
Speaker 1:So we had been drinking. We decided to get in the hot tub.
Speaker 2:And smoke a left-handed cigarette. We decided to get in the hot tub and smoke a left-handed cigarette.
Speaker 1:We decided to get out. You were like, oh, I'm ready to get out, I think right, yes, and you asked me yeah, I said are you ready to get out?
Speaker 2:I was getting hot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I said, yeah, I'm ready to get out. And that's literally the last thing I remember.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I stood up and I got out of the hot tub. I turned around to hand her her towel and she's in the water.
Speaker 1:I'm like what the Like? Face down, Face down in the water.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were like under the water. I was like, and so I was like what are you doing? And you didn't say anything. It didn't even move, your eyes weren't even open, actually. But when I realized, your eyes weren't open because it was dark.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And so I was like yeah, because this was like at what? Like 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, it was probably 2 o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2:And we were both butt naked. Right and keep in mind we're in my parents' hot tub at my parents' house, you don't get in the hot tub. I turn back around and she's in the water underneath the water and all I see is the bloop, bloop of the air pop up, I think because I had turned the hot tub off.
Speaker 1:Right, so the water was still. Is what you're saying?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the water was still.
Speaker 1:Okay. So when you saw the bubbles, I was like what the fuck? Is that what dinged you to something's wrong? Yeah, and Dinged you to something's wrong yeah, and so I just reached down and grabbed you and turned you over, bring your head out of the thing.
Speaker 2:And you're not breathing, your eyes are closed and I'm like what the heck? And so I just lift you up and drag you out of the hot tub and set you on the ground, butt naked. You have no pulse, you're not responding and I finally was like listen, lady, you need to wake your ass up, or I'm calling 911.
Speaker 1:Wet, slimy body that is dead weight.
Speaker 2:I was hollering at my mom and dad. They were all the way across the other side of the house because I didn't have no cell phone or nothing out there. We were both naked.
Speaker 1:And they probably had their hearing aids out with their headsets on. Yep yep Watching TV.
Speaker 2:Because there we were both naked and they probably had their hearing aids out, with their headsets on. Yep, yep, watch the tv, because that's how they sleep. They sleep with their headsets on right. And so finally, I went. I was like I covered you up with a towel. I went to grab my cell phone and I came back and I'm on, I'm literally dialing 9-1-1. I'm like I'm dialing 9-1-1, you better wake up and I get the one dialed and you start waking up. And I was like, because you had no poles, I checked for your poles. There was no poles, you were not breathing and you were not responding. I even broke your leg or cracked your leg and pulling you out of the hot tub.
Speaker 1:So on my side of things, here's what it looked like. On my side of things, I have the bright light affair happen, like I just was surrounded by this bright light, but not like as if you're looking in the sun and it's uncomfortable bright light. It's a soft, warm, engulfing light, like it encapsulates.
Speaker 2:It wasn't very warm to me.
Speaker 1:And in that light, what I found was that was presented to me were two light entities representing themselves as a mother figure, father figure, yeah, and it was like a family reunion. It was like, oh, welcome home. But it was all. Communication was all telepathic. There was no verbal mouth communication, it was all telepathic. But the conversation was like, oh, we're so glad to see you and welcome home. And I was like, oh, I'm so glad to be here. It feels so warm and inviting and so much love and peace and it's so good to be home.
Speaker 1:That was such a hard journey and it was just like a family reunion of I came home from college or whatever right, and wasn't for me it felt like I was there for a minute oh yeah, you was there for a minute um, no, no, no quick, a quick minute, yeah it didn't feel like it was as long as it was on your side of the oh, it felt like forever on my side of the thing.
Speaker 2:No, I'm like I feel.
Speaker 1:I feel like in a snap, like I wasn't there long enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Next thing, you know, I feel like I'd only been there like seconds. Next thing, you know, they're telling me okay, it's time to go back. And I'm like, no, I don't want to go back, I am staying here. And they're like no, you can't. You have more things that you have to do. You've got to go back. And I'm like, no, I'm not going back. I like it here, I like the way it feels and it's yucky back there. I'm not going back. And they're like, yep, you're going back, love you.
Speaker 2:And then I remember, like opening my eyes barely, I was right in the process, about to slap the crap out of you.
Speaker 1:But the biggest thing I remember is you were literally yelling to the top of your lungs, right in my ear, and I remember saying, oh my God, why are you yelling at me? Yeah, because, bitch, you weren't breathing and you didn't have a pulse. I was like okay, I'm fine, Stop yelling. You're being so loud and I was scolding you for being loud because I was disoriented and didn't know even.
Speaker 2:What did the last three and a half minutes have? Transpired Like I went and visited family?
Speaker 1:Where were you at? Why didn't you go with me? And it was like an in and out thing. It was very, very quick on my side of things from you telling the story.
Speaker 2:You said it was much longer than just a minute, three and a half minutes at least from my perspective, it was like seconds all I know is you said I didn't want to come back.
Speaker 1:What? But the experience is absolutely indescribable. Until you go to that place and can experience it, there are no human words to really describe the feeling of just the unconditional, warm, welcoming love, of just being in the presence of that natural state of being. And I'm telling you, if we could find that every day, all day long, this world would be a much different place. Oh yeah, for sure, 100%.
Speaker 2:So I think, in a quick way if we can, the point of this podcast is to make sure y'all should watch that episode on ancient aliens, because it was very eye-opening for me that they're actually studying it now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that there is. You know, according to the science that I've seen on the show, which I haven't done any research on, I didn't plan on doing that, but they are saying that they can prove now that consciousness goes and moves on after death. Yeah, but I haven't looked at that up yet, but that's what they're claiming. And so if you or anybody else that you know guys have had an air death experience, and hey, share this podcast with them, tag them in it, put the story in the comments. We'd love to hear it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:And you know, if it's a good enough story, maybe we'll guest in about you on and you can. You can tell everybody on the air. That would be kind of cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be kind of cool. Yeah, that would um, it would be interesting to hear each individual person's experience yeah of their nde for sure yep, all right, don't forget guys.
Speaker 2:Hey, we are doing the power of thought, the power of positive thought workshop at the holistic house in hollyhill, florida, starting on october 3rd. It is a 16-week workshop. It goes into January of next year and it's $25 a week. Or you can buy the whole course for $348, and you can get that on Eventbrite, or you can call Holistic House in Holly Hill, florida and make reservations there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, real quick. I was noticing on Eventbrite it's got the pricing a little wonky and hard to understand yeah.
Speaker 2:So you'll have to look into that. The tickets are $25 and then Eventbrite charges their fee and then apparently there's taxes for event scheduling.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see. So if you go through them, yeah, it's going to be a little bit more if you go through.
Speaker 2:Eventbrite, but you can pay for the whole course all at once right there. You can do that at the Holistic House as well, and the Salty Tarot store is open. Yeah, go shopping Go, get you some spiritual grind garb.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Or some Salty Tarot garb. The app is underway. We have POC ready and working on some other stuff, so it's going well. I am going to put up the holiday pack. Try to get that done tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Of the coffee For the coffee.
Speaker 2:Yay, get that on the store so you can buy it there. The Spiritual Grind Coffee Talk set. It's going to have a pound of our coffee and two coffee mugs, let's say the Spiritual Grind, with our pretty little faces on them, Nice. And so, anyway, like follow and share. Don't forget to hit up the website wwwthemarkcentersorg. Tell all your friends about us.
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