The Spiritual Grind
Dr. Jenni PhD,RN,CHLC,CH and medium and Rev. James ORD, MhsB have spent countless years studying and practicing many modalities within the "Spiritual" domain. Dr. Jenni has dedicated her life to helping others by attending countless schools and developing each of her practices and strategies. Rev. James has studied many modalities and Native American practices and they have Both decided to open their library of knowledge to share this information with everyone in a down to earth style, with hope to assist in making your journey easier and more abundant.
The Spiritual Grind
Your Higher Self Always Has Your Back, Even When You Don't Realize It
Have you ever wondered why your perception of events differs so dramatically from others who witnessed the same thing? Or why your intuition sometimes guides you toward solutions before you even understand the problem?
The spiritual guidance system that operates within each of us is far more sophisticated than most of us realize. In this deeply insightful episode, we dive into how our personal belief systems, past experiences, and subconscious patterns shape not just our perception of reality, but the actual reality we experience.
We share a powerful personal journey through mysterious health challenges that conventional medicine couldn't solve. Despite multiple doctor visits and prescriptions that addressed symptoms but missed the root cause, something deeper was at work. The higher self was already guiding toward healing modalities that addressed mold toxicity, even before conscious awareness caught up. This revelation demonstrates how our spiritual guidance system is constantly working behind the scenes, orchestrating experiences for our growth and healing.
What makes this conversation particularly valuable is our exploration of trauma loops—those repetitive patterns where we question our own judgment or get stuck in cycles of self-doubt. We discuss practical ways to break free from these patterns by tuning into your body's wisdom and strengthening communication with your higher self, even amidst the noise of modern life.
We also tackle the false dichotomy between conventional and holistic medicine, advocating for an integrated approach where treatments align with individual belief systems rather than one-size-fits-all solutions. Your body knows what it needs—are you listening to it?
Subscribe now to join our growing community of spiritual seekers who are learning to navigate life's challenges with greater awareness. And don't miss our upcoming episode featuring Philip Wilson, a renowned expert in infrared therapy, who'll share how this powerful modality can help address toxicity issues naturally!
Thank you. Good morning Grinders. How is everybody? Good morning, it's Dr Jenny in the house.
Speaker 1:What, what.
Speaker 2:What? Anyway? How are you this morning? How are you?
Speaker 3:I am great.
Speaker 2:For some reason my mic's acting a little funny this morning. Maybe adjust that and see if that works better. I don't know. My seat position is off.
Speaker 3:Your seat position.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something's changed here.
Speaker 3:Maybe you've changed.
Speaker 2:Maybe I got taller.
Speaker 3:You're a different person than you were two seconds ago.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's good, you're right I am. Which brings me to my topic actually for the day. Unless you had one, did you have a topic today?
Speaker 3:I did not.
Speaker 2:Oh, my topic is about perception.
Speaker 3:I feel like we've talked about that before.
Speaker 2:Have we.
Speaker 3:I feel like we have.
Speaker 2:Perhaps we should do a different topic.
Speaker 3:No, because I have two. No, if that's what's coming up to be visited and talked about, then somebody out there somewhere needs to talk about it. Unless you like the second one, I mean flip a coin Pink.
Speaker 2:Well, two out of three.
Speaker 3:That's an indicator that one of them is where you really want to go yeah, it's about.
Speaker 2:My second topic is what came up on the coin toss actually. Um, my second topic is about self-guidance. I'm gonna I'm really don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:When we, as humans, do things in our world and you have other people around you, everybody does things a little different yeah. And that is all based upon your belief systems and everything else. You know, we kind of touched on this topic the other day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, based upon your belief systems and everything else. You know, we kind of touched on this topic the other day, yeah, um, but the part of it is that that can that is coming to my reality to talk about is about the guidance by which we operate and how everybody around you or can perceive it differently than you. And, and what I mean by that is, uh, take, for example, a crime scene. You have four witnesses to a crime scene. All four of those witnesses and this is like proven facts All four of these witnesses will give completely different statements about what they just witnessed.
Speaker 1:Of course.
Speaker 2:And so when we look at our guidance system through that, what creates our guidance system through life is our past beliefs, patterns and programs. And, like this morning in our coffee talk between you and I, we were just there's a little thing that I go by. I call it the Webster Rule, and when we come across something in our reality, we acknowledge it, then we define it and then we decide whether or not to use it or not. And when we come across things that you define differently than others, it makes you question your own guidance system.
Speaker 3:Not always. Well, it does me.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. It makes me question okay, am I doing this wrong? Is my process wrong?
Speaker 3:Well, and that's definitely a trip up point in the mechanism. Yeah, that's definitely a trip up point in the mechanism is that just because it makes you look at it differently than everybody else doesn't mean that you're doing it right or wrong. Okay, I think that's why I always talk about how it's somewhat important to come away from that right or wrong template. Yeah, right or wrong template.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Especially when you're talking about how you're going about things, because there's not really I say this very gingerly there's not really a right or wrong way to go about it.
Speaker 2:What's the ginger to do with it?
Speaker 3:Because the ginger part of it would be I'm not implying by any means that you go out and kill someone you still have a jurisdictional construct and laws that you agreed to play in when you came to this life, this planet, this moment in time, and you agreed to figure your shit out within this construct as a contractual agreement agreed. So there is a. There is a formidable right or wrong when you're talking the concept of the big wide multiverse kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Okay, please elaborate. You're the rabbit hole feature.
Speaker 3:I do enjoy a good rabbit hole. Well, I mean it goes back back to if you understand the construct of the whole mechanism of the multiverse and the different dimensions, realities, etc. Even murder has its place because in the rabbit hole the two individuals, or three or four, whatever that were involved in that act did it because each individual wanted to experience their character role within that part of the play for their own evolution and growth. Okay, and so even murder, as the politically cleric society would deem inappropriate or wrong behavior, yeah, has its place in the multiverse because even though society views that as a heinous crime, that's wrong, there is still growth and development that comes from being the murderer, the murdery, the witnesses, the family of. They each have the things that they wanted to experience that cause a level of growth and evolution along this particular lifetime for them. So in the rabbit hole world there's really not even a right or wrong around those things that traditional society deems right and wrong.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 3:But because we live in this reality and in this time-space continuum with the rules and laws that we've agreed to play by, so to speak. We've agreed to play by, so to speak, it is a right or wrong situation when you're talking about the heinous crimes of murder and what have you, but we agreed to go on that journey and participate in how to evolve and grow with that noise around us.
Speaker 2:You know and that's actually a very good way to explain some things that a lot of people don't understand in their life. You know, you use murder as an example and there are many serial killers out there that can't tell you why they did what they did. They just tell you what they did and there are many people that go through situations in life that can't identify why they did what they did.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And that happens a lot people in some different religious groups, or even just groups of people you know they're, they call it like fate, they call it all this other stuff, but they really, deep inside, don't understand what that means no, most people don't, because they don't take the time to really look at it and then listen right, and it's just a guidance system.
Speaker 2:It can be human backed, it can be contractual back, it could be just part of your, so to speak, lack of a better word script here on earth, right, and it gives you a higher justification.
Speaker 3:The whole thing of like we, I, I say often it's not that any of this is happening to you, it's all happening for you because essentially you decided what this play looks like. Looks like.
Speaker 2:And you're creating it.
Speaker 3:And you modify it accordingly, based on your free will once you get here, to modify any aspect of it yeah but. But I mean, you know, a lot of people aren't there yet I agree um, and that's what the metaphysical spiritual community tends to call. You know thinning of the veil or going through the awakening process. What that actually means is that you're coming back into remembering who you naturally are and how the whole mechanism actually is.
Speaker 3:It's actually just an illusion that you create for your own experience, like you're not even real. You're an illusion. I created and I put in place the criteria male partner, ai version of what I created so that I have feedback or input from that entity to further expand the experience for growth and development.
Speaker 2:I know, totally on the same page with you, because this, this is a a huge topic and if people were to look more at their life, at a more, a more, uh, easier way of looking at things, as everything happens for a reason that lady at Burger King that got pissed off at the cashier and through a fit out by the registers, it happened and you were there because you were supposed to be there for some reason, right, and it's our job as humans on earth. When we're going through these, those kind of scenarios in life, we have to use our guidance system, because it was put in our presence, because that's what we agreed to do.
Speaker 3:And when you're saying guidance system, you mean our intuition, our higher self our counsel that yes. Not necessarily the guidance system we refer to as the emotional guidance system, correct by itself.
Speaker 2:No the emotional guidance system is part of that, Of course it is.
Speaker 3:It's definitely part of the whole construct.
Speaker 2:I mean sometimes it's sad, sometimes it's happy, you know those things happen. The whole construct. I mean sometimes it's sad, sometimes it's happy, you know those things happen. And when we come to a place of realizing that, if you become curious about life and understand everything that happens within those reasonings, because of a contractual obligation, and it's our job to use our guidance systems to work through it, so we have the experience.
Speaker 3:And that's where the key role comes into play, you're going to have the experience regardless.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Because that's set in motion.
Speaker 2:But it's how you perceive it.
Speaker 3:It's how you perceive it and it's how you react to it. Is your.
Speaker 2:What the hell's going on around here?
Speaker 3:Well, so.
Speaker 2:We have this cat-tastrophe going on okay.
Speaker 3:We have cat-tastrophe. Yeah, so we have two cats in our motorhome. We're trying this out and it's not really going well.
Speaker 2:They like to. Jackson, if you're out there, hell yes, jackson, we have a special needs cat and we have a, I guess uh, I don't even know what's how old she is now almost two year old cat the ganger one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's a little over two and they're in this trauma loop where they were part of a four cat household, and one of the cats that's since been rehomed was not being very nice to the other two females and they now still see each other as this trauma threat.
Speaker 2:So they go around being at each other being territorial and agging.
Speaker 3:I don't speak cats. I don't know exactly what's going on. I'm I I diligently study this behavior that's going on. That's quite crazy, it's crazy I mean it's intriguing, to say the least, because they'll do things like they'll eat their treats and I can put their bowls almost side by side and they can be completely distracted for that two or three minutes and not give a shit what each other's doing, and the minute they're done and they walk away they start like stalking and antagonizing each other.
Speaker 3:Like right now. What's going on is the younger cat's in the front of the house. She's sitting under the table. The older cat's sitting on top of the table just staring at her. It's like they're just in this stare down. But when they come close to one another, the younger cat will. It reminds me of the young child hollering.
Speaker 3:Mom, he touched me, that's what it reminds me of, and he may very well not even touched the child. He's just trying to figure out a way to get the older child in trouble and be a little poop head maybe I don't even know it's crazy.
Speaker 2:But hey, if Jackson's listening, we could use your help. I know you only seem like all your episodes are only in California, but if you could fly to Florida and do this for us, we'd appreciate it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely, we would appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Because we've tried all your tricks, bro. We've tried to play.
Speaker 3:We're currently in a positive behavior modification trial again, where we take a high-value treat, we put it in a slow-feed bowl for each of them. I literally sit in the floor and I nudge those bowls every night closer and closer together to get them to equate each other's smells and presence with the yumminess of this high-valued treat. I mean, that's currently what we're trying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, including the play and all that stuff.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:We wore them both smooth out, but they went right to it as soon as we got them playing, as soon as we got them playing. It's just crazy.
Speaker 3:They went right back to their.
Speaker 2:They're not using their guiding system very well.
Speaker 3:They're not and they're not dealing with their own shit.
Speaker 2:They need some cat counseling.
Speaker 3:They need something. Good grief, almighty. Yeah, or else somebody needs to teach me how to speak meow. Yeah, it's a foreign language that neither one of us is very good at. Yeah that's for sure. I'm not even sure, honestly, that the older cat even knows that she is a cat.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I don't even know. Know she knows how to speak.
Speaker 2:Meow honestly well, no, like I was watching willow in the back yet this morning, when she was on the floor in the corner, by the corner of the bed, and plumbly was up on top of the bed and literally willow was on the floor in the defensive position blinking her butt off yes supposedly the premise is is that when cats do the slow blink, that's like waving the white flag and it's like okay we're friends we're friends, everything's cool, like yeah, no threat, and plumley just looks at that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she has no idea what it means. Plumlee's the older cat that. I, maybe we need to start blinking at her.
Speaker 3:We've been told by the vets has some neurological issues.
Speaker 2:Feline vestibularitis, not just that, yeah, and there was something else that they diagnosed her with.
Speaker 3:She's wired differently for sure, and she just looks at that. And I don't even know if she knows what that means. She was literally raised by humans. I found her when her eyes were still just barely coming open, and then her brother was a pet rabbit.
Speaker 2:So she only speaks rabbit of it, so she's confused as hell, honestly, like she doesn't know what she is.
Speaker 3:Is she human, is she cat, is she?
Speaker 2:I know what she is, is she's fat.
Speaker 3:She is.
Speaker 2:She's a pink-bellied fat cat.
Speaker 3:Right, but in her defense you do give a lot of candy bar treats.
Speaker 2:I do.
Speaker 3:We call treats candy bars.
Speaker 2:Yes. You do give a lot and she is in the process of just having to find a way to stalk this poor little cat down here.
Speaker 3:that's just rolled up by a yeah, to the point where we've completely derailed our topic.
Speaker 2:Our podcast topic and because they're not using their guidance system. So let's roll it back in, shall we?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And maybe it's a contractual obligation for them.
Speaker 3:And maybe it is, and maybe we're reading it totally wrong.
Speaker 2:I will say this, though that it has gotten a little better, because I noticed they're not just instantly hissing at each other now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But anyway. So it's part of our reality right now, so that's why we're talking about it like this, yeah, and humanly it is a little frustrating. It is frustrating man, it can drive you insane actually.
Speaker 3:I don't know that it's to the point of driving me insane.
Speaker 2:I mean, her being up here is a different, her being up here is a different.
Speaker 3:I agree.
Speaker 2:Behavior.
Speaker 3:Yeah is a different behavior. Yeah, Usually during the day they go off and they get in their little hidey holes and they go to bed for the day. That's when we get a lot of stuff done, when you put the kids down for a nap then you can really get some stuff done. I don't even know why they're up today at this hour Because we're in here doing a podcast.
Speaker 2:Probably If we were outside on the patio they would be in sleep and right, we haven't turned the lights out and, like you, should set everything down I mean like she's gonna lay down and go to sleep now, close your eyes yeah, and she went through that in complete loop. She started there and went through this complete loop all the way around, right back to the same spot and lay down yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean tiny bits of progress.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but anyway. So back to the topic. You know we have. I have been going through this thing of kind of reworking some guidance system stuff, okay and and you know we discussed it a little bit this morning because I got caught in this loop of when we were going through this exposure and not feeling. Well, you know, I started to experience stuff like that I never experienced before.
Speaker 2:I normally have the memory, like you wouldn't believe. Like I mean to the point I've been told I have a photographic memory and I can recall things very well in a video type form to where I can like remember things. And when I started going through this loop, probably about a year and a half or so ago, that got very bad for me and I quit. It's like I couldn't do it anymore and so it kind of put me in this trauma loop of exercising my brain constantly. I want to make, I want to find out what's going on, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you know that blah, blah, blah, blah, and you know that whole scenario of hyper, focusing on it.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 3:I like the cats are hyper focusing on it.
Speaker 2:Now, here you are, You're trying to link, link things together here. But the part of that is I started developing these habits and these patterns of of um, human interaction into it, like I would try to multitask constantly, I would play, play those those brain games on my phone. I would do all these things trying to reassure myself and make me feel better about what's going on, when it was a human experience that apparently maybe I was contractually obligated to go through. I don't know why. Yeah, but the whole pattern has developed to where I constantly, even now, am putting myself in this place of checking myself constantly, not trusting in myself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's called a trauma loop. Mm-hmm, and it is a habit that needs to be broke yeah, I mean you're taking the first step, obviously, and that is catching it bringing it to.
Speaker 2:My name is james and I'm a trauma victim.
Speaker 3:I'm a trauma loopy I'm a trauma loopy experiencer I'm a trauma loop I'm a loopy trauma loop anonymous trauma loop, and so it's like, yeah, really I mean you're, you're progressing beautifully, then, because the first step in any of it is being aware that you're doing it, because you know, when you've got a habit or you've got a some sort of trauma loop going on, you first have to bring it to your forebrain and be aware that you're doing it and not just be doing it on autopilot. Yeah, because that then gives you the ability to catch yourself doing it and then ask yourself do I want to continue this habit or do I want to create a new habit?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, and I do realize that the best you know because we do everything historically off beliefs and patterns and programs, and I follow the Dr Phil statement of the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And so, and how you create, is you create new history and you create it in different ways. And taking that first step of create the new history which creates a new pattern, then then you start rolling into the fact of your human habits change because you've created new patterns.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'll let you have that one.
Speaker 2:Okay, so would you like to elaborate on?
Speaker 3:that, oh no, it's a rabbit hole, and I feel like too many rabbit holes puts everybody's brain on.
Speaker 2:If we keep this up, Walmart's going to run out of carrots. The spiritual grinder t-shirt Walmart's going to run out of carrots.
Speaker 3:We do have merchandise coming.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And some of it's related to the rabbit hole in the carrot sandwich. I did make some t-shirt illustrations based on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyways, stuff coming your way the the whole point of all of that. This I guess this conversation for me was bringing to the forefront that that I have to realize and accept that I am not only in a pattern based off a event, but I'm also in a healing pattern now.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, and that's the second part of it, once you get to the awareness part is making sure you don't get tripped up in the self criticizing or the self judgment of where you are and and allowing yourself to be where you are. Yeah, you are and and allowing yourself to be where you are. You know you, you went through a traumatic experience and so acknowledging that and giving that energy space to be yes, let me touch on that real quick.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Because a lot of people will register trauma experience as something that happened unexpectedly and trauma experiences can be long-term, slow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you don't even realize you're in it. Like for me, I didn't realize what was going on. Well, into two years into it, right, and it was like just one thing and it was slow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then when you get to that point of you're like what the hell? I mean, I went through, I put myself through all sorts of crap.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know that you're not feeling good, and society's taught us that once you reach a certain age, aging happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought I was getting old, that I had cancer. I went through all sorts of things.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that we both kind of embraced that because we came into our 50s 5-0, and that's all you hear sometimes about the negative Nancys and the naysayers is oh God, you've hit the big 5-0. Expect everything to fall and malfunction and do all this negative shit and do all this negative shit. And so then, when things begin to not function in your physical body the way they used to your go-to, if you buy into that is okay.
Speaker 3:well, I guess this is what 50 looks like I guess this is what old age looks like and you let it just keep going on. And you let it just keep going on. And finally, your guidance system, your counsel, your tuition, whatever they, finally ring the bell loud enough or in the right direction where you can actually hear and you say to yourself wait a minute, something is just not right.
Speaker 3:Something is not right. I can't put my finger on it, I don't know what it is, but something is not right. There is something more to this than just I have turned 50 and I'm aging.
Speaker 2:I agree Because it's not a switch.
Speaker 3:That just should reaffirm to everybody that your higher self and your counsel and your guides, they don't give up on you. Right, they will continue to try and bring the message forward in whatever way you have the ability to hear them at the time or are willing to listen at the time and and uh, and, and so eventually they will.
Speaker 2:You know, eventually, be it slow or fast, they'll get your attention yeah and they'll put you on the right track I agree, and that's really what may take longer than initially intended or initially because I had this superman mentality, you know, I felt like I could live, for I was going to live forever and. But prior to this happening and I felt like I could take on the world, every single day didn't have a single thought in my mind negative of getting turning 50 and blah blah.
Speaker 3:Never even crossed my mind yeah because I already been past that point, because I remember when my dad turned 40, I started calling him old yeah you know, now he's double that and I remember there being a time where I would look at my different family members who were 40 and think, oh my god I don't ever want to be 40. I must be so bad I'm so old, and then when I hit 40, it was like oh okay.
Speaker 2:And so I put myself through this thought process of dang, this can't be. I mean, things don't happen like that, it just doesn't happen that way. And that was obviously my guides, or my higher self telling me that. And so I went through this whole process of what the f was going on.
Speaker 2:And and so, man, I did, I could put myself through a trauma loop situation, and it was slow and progressive across the course of three years yeah and and now, you know, and, and even in my lab work it shows now that I was exposed to high levels of mold and it was totally affecting my health. I mean, I had doctors trying to give me high blood pressure medicine. That one lady said my liver functions were down. You know, I went through all these things.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And the ENT was like I don't know what's going on, but your vocal cords hate you. Blah blah, blah, blah, blah. They gave me this magic mouthwash and blah blah, and I went through all this stuff and they put me and, and then the last one I went to the well, I don't remember the cardiologist or something, and they tried to give me a medicine for my heart, but yet he was said that everything showed. Okay, then why are you giving me medicine?
Speaker 3:right.
Speaker 2:I think that happens more often than we realize why, and so I mean literally, I was like you know, I mean I'm not going to take that pill because because you, you just told me that everything looks normal for my age, but yet you want to put me on a medicine.
Speaker 3:That makes zero sense. Yeah, you know where that comes from. That comes from society wanting a quick-fix pill. They want something. They want the doctor to give them something that will make them feel better. So the doctors have bought into the okay, well, I've got to give them something so that they will feel better.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:They, you know, patients and society are not okay with going to the doctor paying their copay and the doctor literally saying all your shit's fine, I don't know, I've got nothing for you, right? That feels like crap when you're the patient and the doctor don't get paid gets tired.
Speaker 2:They get paid for the office visit but they get paid more for diagnosis, right, of course, yeah and.
Speaker 3:But then they get a bad rap or a bad reputation or a bad google or a bad Google review from the patient. Because the patient's like I feel bad. I went to this doctor. He told me nothing was wrong with me and he didn't give me any medication. So now, what am I supposed to do, right? And so now doctors will prescribe the least risky thing that they can in their specialty, right, so that the patient walks away feeling like they did something, like the doctor did something for them, rather than feeling like they were just left to hang out and dry, like when this first started, and I went to the doctor with the mobile network and she came and saw me and she was like well, because I had an ear, my ear mobile network, yeah.
Speaker 2:And she came and saw me and she was like well, because I had an ear, my ear was hurting, yeah, and and I kept feeling like it was draining down my throat, which was causing irritation.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She put me through four back to backgrounds of antibiotics and steroids. What's anybody that knows anybody? You don't do that because it totally stripped my system of all good biotics and not once did she say, hey, take a probiotic you took it anyway.
Speaker 3:I did. I'm an idiot in your reality, where you didn't know it either. I didn't.
Speaker 2:Well, I just wanted to feel better, and and, uh, then she kept switching it all up and all this other crap. And then, um, finally, when, when we discovered it, like now, we've been out of it for about three weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And ringing in my ears is almost gone. Yeah, I mean, it's barely there now.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so it just tells me that, okay, I get it Now, I know, but it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous the guidance system within that of how we are trained as humans to approach that, like you just said, people expect to go to the doctor because they want medicines. And you know, a lot of times when people don't even realize a steroid. All it is is a. It's a naturally produced chemical in your body and they're just giving you more of it. So you get a bigger reaction from it and it reduces inflammation and and it does make you feel better quicker. But your body would do the same thing, like them putting me on this high, wanting to put me on this high blood pressure medicine. Why my blood pressure now is 110 over 70. You can't beat that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's a really good blood pressure.
Speaker 3:Most people are not those kind of patients where they say mm.
Speaker 2:And I took it for a couple days, but man, it made me feel like crap well, yeah, because your body doesn't need it yeah, doesn't need it, that's your body communicating to you.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think the premise is that I would like to hand out as a uh, healer, teacher, guidance doctor myself is you have to be your own advocate, you.
Speaker 3:It's just really important to create that conversation with your body and learn what your body's trying to tell you and and listen in and listen to your guidance, like get in tune with your intuition, get in tune with the conversations that your higher self's trying to have. Tune with the conversations that your higher self's trying to have. If you are truly wanting to get to a place where you are creating your own reality, it is a vital must that you formulate that language between your higher self and your guides and between your physical body I agree, like you have to.
Speaker 3:You have to have that communication and you've got to listen when your body's trying to tell you something and ask it questions and then listen for the answers I agree totally and the noise of the world around us tends to keep people distracted from doing that anymore and that's the difference between our ancestors and the way that we live now is that they had a lot less noise and they were more in tune to their physical body and their spiritual body and their energetic body, and they lived more like that yes and as the time progressed on, the noise and noise outside of us got a little louder and it and it had to right, because we needed to have a platform, or a stage, if you will, for learning how to come back to our natural self, come back to creating that communication, listening to that, learning that language yeah, through the noise yes with the noise being there, because our ancestors did it and were able to be very efficient at it without the noise.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that already happened. So, as the generations move on, it's now our turn to figure out how to do it with the noise and in spite of the noise yes and that's what we're learning and part of the collective um awakening, if you will, or evolution I totally agree with you is learning how to reconnect to ourselves, learning how to re-establish that line of communication with our physical body. You know what's?
Speaker 2:crazy. What I find crazy about that whole scenario is how your higher self has a way of having you do things and then we as humans, because of the patterns that we're in, don't recognize it. Like like we would go to that IV joint.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I would get this massive IV because one of the symptoms I was having was I felt very dehydrated, my joints hurt, and we would go get IV and sit on the oxygen bar, not realizing that the reason why my higher self was directing me there is because it was rehydrating my joints and I was sitting on oxygen for an hour and because I was inhaling bad stuff. Yeah, and it was kind of funny to recognize that. I recognized that this morning when I was sitting outside.
Speaker 3:I was like, okay, it's a good indicator of reminding everybody, and it's a good example that your higher self always has your back. Yeah, even if you don't have the ability consciously to know why or to recognize what's truly going on. What's going on behind the scenes that you may not even be able to conceptualize is for a greater concept, yes, and it's always for the benefit of your greatest good always.
Speaker 3:That's why I recommend starting to change what comes out of your mouth. This is not happening to me. This is happening for me and listen to.
Speaker 2:You know, because there are, and let me, let me back up a minute. I got ahead of myself a moment. Most of the modern day medicines today are based upon herbs and being open and receptive to a cleaner way of doing it is a healthier mentality. You know, like I became more aware of you know, we started doing these iv and oxygen treatment and they would put the minerals and stuff in my body, not realizing that when I told her that I needed, uh, not magnesium, but what was the other one?
Speaker 2:um, realizing that that was that was spiritual guidance, 100 spiritual guidance because I don't remember what it was, but and making myself open to that, because I was like, why am I saying to do this? I really didn't know. I just like, okay, let's just try that. And then I told one of our friends about it because, you know, he had been diagnosed for a few years now with rheumatoid arthritis. And I reminded him of his previous occupancy where he lived and he moved because it had mold and so he sold the. I mean he, he moved out of the house, bought his own home and and, uh, now he, he is like down to minimal medication for it. And so I reminded him of that the other day when we were talking and he was like, oh, you know what I forgot, all about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then the communication that we had about what's going on with us. He, he went down to his doctor and his doctor put him on a some kind of a fungal medication and he hadn't taken his arthritis and his arthritis medicine now in almost three weeks Right, and that's why they called Mold the Great Mimicker and he started going through this other therapy and we'll touch on it in just a minute because it's something that we're going to have a guest speaker about, actually, and so, but being open and receptive to whatever your body is telling you is okay. Like I didn't take the blood pressure medicine as we can because of a pat I mean they. I went through the pattern process and my guidance system to go to the doctor, but I knew it didn't feel right that they were trying to give me. I mean, how, all of a sudden, do I just end up with high blood pressure?
Speaker 3:that's impossible well, I'm even down to taking it and then having the sense enough to listen to your body and say golly talk about the headache. That makes me feel yucky, and that's not what my brain needs, right?
Speaker 2:now I think I took it what?
Speaker 2:two days, I think, maybe at the most, and I was like, yeah, I can't do this, because it was giving me this massive headache every day, and I was like not doing this, yeah, and and so but there's some people out there that will just continue to take it and how funny is it that you bought that machine and I laid on your lap and you did that machine on my face and finding out that that actually is a holistic way of removing that stuff from our system I just do what I do yeah I know that was kind of kind of funny, huh no I just do what I do, but staying within your guidance system is okay.
Speaker 2:Listen to yourself. And I don't know how many times in our career over the last six years I have said these words. Health care is always a choice. There are so many people who get caught up in. I've got to do what my doctor says, or my insurance company won't pay. That is not true anymore. That has been changed. Yeah. And health, or my insurance company won't pay. That is not true anymore.
Speaker 2:That has been changed and health care is a choice. You can walk out of the hospital any given time you want. Your insurance company still has to pay that bill.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it's. I mean, you'll have your co-pays and you'll leave what they call, what AMA or something, which I don't even think that means anything anymore, because I've seen it to where you know, nobody has any problems with that when they do leave. But listening to your guidance system is important.
Speaker 3:I absolutely agree with you. That's the key takeaway is you've got to give space to listen to your own self and you've got to give value to the fact that it's your body and you've spent how many years with that body and go into a doctor that you see once a month or twice a month or even once a week. That's only been with you for a couple of years. You don't have to do every single thing that they say to do. If it's not resonating with you, get a second opinion or whatever. But listen disclaimer I am not telling anybody to stop their medicines or bail out on their doctor. You know there is a I literally wrote an article and I'm just trying to decide which medical magazine I want to publish in of the importance of coexistence of modern medicine and holistic, non-invasive medicine and healing modalities.
Speaker 3:They should be allies and they should be working together, accentuating each other, working together based on the individual's belief system. That's where you're going to get true healing. That's where you're going to get 100%. Feedback is if you figure out what your patient's beliefs are around the topic or the diagnosis, and then you create a regimen that is a la carte, basically based on what the beliefs of that person are 100 and your insurance company should be a choice and your insurance company should have to pay both ways.
Speaker 3:That's right, whether it's herbal, whether it's modern medicine, whether it's a blend of those, whether it's you know whatever that looks like, whether it's, you go and get oxygen therapy and then you take a prescription medication because it can be a mix.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, totally, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3:And that's, I think, where we're missing it.
Speaker 2:Totally, 100%, agree with you, and that article was well written, by the way. You should get that out.
Speaker 3:I am. I am just trying to decide which direction, which magazine I want to put it in.
Speaker 2:Or yeah, or put it on our own.
Speaker 3:Or where I want to put it. I totally agree, but it brings me to a very good topic.
Speaker 2:Are you ready?
Speaker 1:Yes, talking about alternative medicine.
Speaker 2:We are going to have a special guest on the next podcast.
Speaker 3:Where's the applause?
Speaker 2:Oh wait applause.
Speaker 3:You're not using your buttons anymore.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I haven't used my buttons in a minute. Yeah, we're going to have a guest on. Sorry, I was sitting back and relaxing there.
Speaker 3:You were quite relaxed and reclined.
Speaker 2:But we have a gentleman joining us next week. His name is Philip Wilson.
Speaker 3:Philip Wilson.
Speaker 2:And he is a renowned expert in red light therapy.
Speaker 3:I think it's called infrared.
Speaker 2:Infrared, infrared. And yeah, there's some kind of special feature. I'm going to let him get into details, because I don't know a whole lot about it. Yeah, and, but he owns a company called Relax Sonos and he's going to be on with us next week on one of the podcasts. It looks like we're probably on the next one we post. I'm waiting for confirmation from him.
Speaker 3:And where's his facility located?
Speaker 2:He has them all over the country. It's mobile.
Speaker 1:I see.
Speaker 2:But he is an expert in that therapy treatments and he reached out to us about when we dedicated our podcast to the mold toxicity syndrome and trying to help people. He reached out to us and wanted to interject his knowledge into how the benefits of red light therapy can help with toxicity and with any toxicity is the way he made it stand.
Speaker 2:But I'll let him talk about it more. But y'all can check him out on the web. He is on multiple sites On Facebook. It's called Relax Sauna on Facebook. His website is relaxsaunascom and his YouTube is Relax Saunas and he puts out a lot of information on it.
Speaker 2:His bio is quite elaborate. He's been doing this for 26 years after Sorry, I've got a cat interfering right here and check him out online before he comes, and I'm going to put all of his links into our description. I will send that to the editor so she can do that. Yeah, and into the description of this.
Speaker 2:Will send that to the editor so she can do that, yeah, and into the description of this podcast and the one next week, and so you can check him out before you listen. Once again, his name is Philip Wilson and he is an alternative medicine expert.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely, and always feel free to reach out to us, just like you did, if you want to be a guest totally on the show and bring your topic in, or if you're not quite ready for uh for that and you want us to still, like, conversate about your issue, your topic, your uh curiosity, whatever it it is. There's no rules. We will literally talk about anything.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:I love.
Speaker 2:Anything spiritually I mean depends. We just talked about our cats for 30 minutes.
Speaker 3:We talk about. I feel like we kind of talk about anything honestly.
Speaker 2:We really do yeah.
Speaker 3:Whether it be which brings up daily topics for those virtual grinders or whatever I totally agree.
Speaker 2:And hey, um another thing dr jenny's book is out scripted from within it is. It's on amazon and kindle. I'm still working on the audio audible setup for the.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there is one thing. I noticed that when I ordered my author copies it didn't print with the page numbers, but the page numbers are uploaded in there. So if you're finding the ears or don't have page numbers either, let us know. Yeah, send us an email Because there's some sort of weird glitch, let us know. Yeah, send us an email. Because, there's some sort of weird glitch. The page numbers are in the manuscript and they're uploaded in the thing.
Speaker 2:For some reason it printed without them. I don't know if I had it the wrong color. Maybe I need to look at that. Maybe I need to look at the color of the page number.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because the books that I got the one that I looked at it didn't have any page numbers. The one that I looked at it didn't have any page numbers, so sorry about that.
Speaker 2:If it prints that way for you, just take your pencil and write them in. I mean, there's documentation on there. This is a group interaction book.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is what it is. We're going to write it together.
Speaker 2:Hey, and we're working on our merch store called the Salty Tarot.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping to have it ready and open up and running by Monday.
Speaker 3:I ready and open up and running by monday. I was hoping to have it last monday, but, man, there's a lot more to that than I realized. Yeah, getting an e-commerce store up is not the easiest thing to do.
Speaker 2:It definitely has multiple steps, very intricate yeah, especially if you're going to sell internationally, because all the tax rates and all that stuff, yeah, and the shipping cost, you have to make sure that your shippers are right and right. Otherwise you can totally screw yourself and end up having to pay for somebody's stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, we're trying to get it up and running so that people have a place to shop for Christmas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3:She had it on her arm and was playing with it.
Speaker 2:She put it with a bracelet.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But anyway.
Speaker 3:Trying to get everything loaded up and ready so that people have christmas gift options in the metaphysical world. Um, so there ain't that many stores out there online. I've seen a few, but not not, you know there's, there's quite a few out there, but I feel like our goal is to provide not only the traditional things stone, sage, you know the traditional things that are on a metaphysical store.
Speaker 3:But we've got our different merchandise that we've created. That brings kind of a unique twist to it and gives you some new stuff to kind of play with.
Speaker 2:Be looking forward to the salty tarot cards.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I did some oracle cards working on the tarot cards.
Speaker 2:now the oracle cards are shit that your spirit guides wanted to say.
Speaker 3:Meant to say, meant to say and so it's going to be the shit your guides meant to say yeah, it's good and so it's funny be the shit your guides meant to say yeah, it's good. And so it's funny. It's a funny rendition, it's a funny rendition.
Speaker 2:It's a good way to have a little kind of joyous time. It's against the total normal grain of the spirit.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:Where everything is love and light and kindness and goodness, and the reality is is. We like to repeat things and our spirit guys get irritated at us get irritated.
Speaker 3:That is I mean, you know, not only spirit guys, but I mean as a healer. There's days where I'm like I have a client. They come to me with their issue. I give them techniques to try and homework. They do none of it.
Speaker 3:But they're back again the next week whining about the same crap and there's times where I want to look at them and say okay you didn't do your homework well if you're not going to do the homework and you're not going to do what I recommended you doing. You're not even at least going to try it. Right then, why are you back in my office?
Speaker 3:right except for me to collect a paycheck. Yeah, like why? Why are you even bothering if you're not truly ready for change? And you're not truly ready. I just want to kind of like I'm gonna say what the bees yeah, what are you doing, right like? Get it together get it together, girl, but you know you want to try and be nice and compassionate and loving and you're like okay, well, why didn't you do your homework when really inside of you you're screaming?
Speaker 3:you're screaming at him like you big freaking idiot of course it's not gonna work if you're not gonna do it yeah and so my that's kind of how the Oracle Cards came about is I was kind of just having one of those moments where I had to just kind of vomit out the energy of having a very frustrating couple of days with clients like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And what I truly want to say to them is beep, yeah, yeah, totally. Are you effing kidding me? And that's, uh, that's how that work. Our cards came about, is I feel like the funny side of things is I could in my I could in my mind, envision our council and our gods saying okay, you know what? We're freaking tired of repeating ourselves over this bullshit. Until the cords were born, it was fun putting them together.
Speaker 2:Yes, it looks like you really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3:I did. I had a blast putting them together.
Speaker 2:Anyway, guys, you feel complete.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I can sit here and conversate all day long, but I know, we're under some weird time constraint.
Speaker 2:Just thinking humans created a clock, anyway, whatever. Well, anyway, hey, don't forget to like, follow and share. Check out our website at wwwthemerccentersorg. That is spelled T-H-E-M-E-R-C-C-E-N-T-E-R-S, dot org. That is spelled T-H-E-M-E-R-C, c-e-n-t-e-r-s, dot. Org. And our merch store will be out on Shopify and it's called the salty tarot. Hopefully be out on Monday, so check that out as well also you know, just as a reminder mold is a real thing, guys yes and until this happened for me, I didn't really give it much attention. Yes.
Speaker 3:Because I didn't really know what I didn't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, I've walked into a hotel room and smelt it, but never paid any attention to it, right. And I've walked into places and smell it and not pay any attention, like we ate at a restaurant. The other day and you noticed it and then that night we both were having symptoms back.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And I didn't know that, I didn't know you had seen it and I started having the symptoms.
Speaker 3:I was like dang, you know. And then you were like, yeah, I was in the restaurant, you know, even when we went to that Airbnb that one time and you could smell the mold in different sections. Yeah, Make it okay in your bubble to remove yourself from the situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, make it okay. So, Follow it. But anyway, like follow, share. Don't forget to.
Speaker 3:Ring that bell.
Speaker 2:Hey guys, we want you all to have one awesome day.
Speaker 1:Love you day, love you Take care.
