The Spiritual Grind
Dr. Jenni PhD,RN,CHLC,CH and medium and Rev. James ORD, MhsB have spent countless years studying and practicing many modalities within the "Spiritual" domain. Dr. Jenni has dedicated her life to helping others by attending countless schools and developing each of her practices and strategies. Rev. James has studied many modalities and Native American practices and they have Both decided to open their library of knowledge to share this information with everyone in a down to earth style, with hope to assist in making your journey easier and more abundant.
The Spiritual Grind
Taming Your Human Mind
Have you ever struggled to distinguish between your human conditioning and your spiritual guidance? That delicate dance between following intuition versus falling into habitual patterns forms the heart of this thought-provoking conversation.
Dr. Jenny and the host dive deep into one of spirituality's most challenging questions: how do we know which voice to listen to when making decisions? Through practical examples and illuminating insights, they explore how our human tendencies can interfere with—or sometimes complement—our spiritual journey.
One particularly valuable tool shared is the "coin flip method" for decision-making. When faced with two seemingly equal choices, could you genuinely accept either outcome? Your honest reaction reveals whether you're truly following intuition or if subtle preferences are guiding you. This simple yet powerful technique helps uncover hidden attachments lurking beneath seemingly balanced options.
The conversation also examines how our personal threshold for discomfort impacts spiritual discernment. Many who've experienced extreme challenges may calibrate their "discomfort meter" to only register significant distress, potentially missing subtle guidance trying to redirect their path. Learning to recognize even mild resistance becomes crucial for spiritual navigation.
Perhaps most importantly, the episode emphasizes developing your unique personal definitions of human interference versus spiritual guidance. The key indicators include bodily sensations, whether you feel compelled to justify choices to others, and your ability to proceed with quiet confidence regardless of external opinions.
By practicing with small decisions and progressively building your intuitive muscles, you can develop greater clarity in discerning which voice to follow. Ready to strengthen your connection with your inner guidance system? Start by examining how you define human versus spiritual influence in your own life journey.
Thank you. Good morning everybody. Welcome back to the Spears of Grind. We are in studio with Dr Jenny and myself.
Speaker 1:Good morning.
Speaker 2:Good morning Dr Jenny. How are you today?
Speaker 1:Hanging in there like a monkey.
Speaker 2:From his tail.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it feels like that.
Speaker 2:Life can be a little difficult sometimes. Welcome back, guys. Thank you for tuning in and listening. Today we are going to talk about a couple of things. I think One of those things is something that I need to talk about and that is human interaction and interjection into my journey. I am pretty I would say it's habitual for me a little bit. I humanly interact with my spiritual journey and sometimes it can cause a little bit of problems and sometimes it don't. It just really all depends, but it kind of is where I guess my belief systems have taking me, taken me to in my life, and sometimes it can be a little difficult. What do you think about that, dr Jane?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean for sure, Human interaction can muck up the whole process.
Speaker 2:It can and it does for me sometimes, and so I fall back on. You know, I guess we're here humanly to have experiences and to add to the great, you know, vast array of knowledge that everybody can share, and they call the Akashic Records. And we add to that knowledge and we try to bring that to us. Now, over the last few years I've had a journey of things to where, humanly, I've interacted Sometimes it's spiritual, sometimes it's not and it's been a rocky road in trying to get back to the roots of spiritual awakeness and when you've been living that off and on journey of humanness can be difficult. It can be a tough place to be in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it can. Stopping the habits or the patterns can be sometimes the most challenging part of the journey, but I guess, on the positive side, recognizing that they're there is probably the first step.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like being an alcoholic Recognizing.
Speaker 1:I guess I've never been an alcoholic, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, I haven't either. I've been to the meetings when I used to do some things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've not been to the meetings. I used to do some things. Yeah, I've not been to the meetings.
Speaker 2:But back in the day. But you know, I think you're right is identifying the humanness within it and making sure that you at least try to interact and change beliefs behind it with every interaction. To me is the hardest part, because I am very much a creature of habit and when I view things as a challenge, I hit them. I, you know, I hit it full force because you know the fight or flight syndrome or thing that people have is I am that guy that fights. I am not a fighter, not a runner. I'm going to hit you head on. And understanding the correlation between the two of those for me is where I go a lot in my thought processes and clearings in the morning. And clearings in the morning and you know, particularly today is a day that I'm really checking in with it and trying to figure out what's the balance within it, because where do you go with it? And that's my challenge.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Where do you go with it?
Speaker 2:Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out. I don't know. I mean, I understand that I do it, but I don't know where do I, how do I change it and where do I get to a place of balance within it?
Speaker 1:okay, I think identifying what it is first all would be the first place of clarity.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean the human interaction, the human interjection into the journeys.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm talking about, and so is there a question in there.
Speaker 2:I guess I don't know what you are wanting to conversate about, I guess, is what I'm saying. My conversation is more about how do we tell people out there to identify their human interjections into their journey, how do they identify them and how do they make sure that that is within balance, because we are here for human experience, we're living a spiritual journey, and so how do you keep balance in that?
Speaker 1:Well, there's not that Well. I mean, it's not really about keeping balance. It's about discerning which voice you want to listen to and which one takes you on the journey that you want to go on. You're going to experience it in two different ways. If you're always following that human voice that's trying to guide you in a human direction, that experience is going to look much different than if you're listening to your spiritual voice and going in that direction. There are two different directions and getting to a point where you are going to make a decision on which one you're going to listen to and which one you're going to trust will depend on how you want your reality to look and the beliefs that you carry around.
Speaker 2:That, basically, but do we ever really not humanly interact into our spiritual journey? Is there anybody that can ever say that they fully lived a spiritual journey? And then, how do you get you experience?
Speaker 1:I don't think that the goal is to be able to say that fully live a spiritual journey. I mean, you're not gandhi, you're not buddha, unless you want to be, and then that's a completely different path altogether and even they had their human counterparts within it that they had to identify and work through. It's the. The key is to not ask for clarity clarity is and then do something different, not to keep repeating the same dumb shit that's the key and expecting a different result.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what I was the clarity. What I was talking about is creating the balance within it, because the reference that you just gave even Gandhi had human experiences, and do we really know when you're supposed to repeat the human interaction and when you're not, and how do we clarify that?
Speaker 1:it's all based on whatever belief and program you're running it literally is based on that. If you believe program you're running it literally is based on that, if you believe that you're supposed to repeat it, then you'll look for ways to repeat it, even on a subconscious level. If you decide that it's not necessary for me to repeat this I don't want to experience it again. I've learned what I'm going to learn, period, and I don't want to experience it again. I've learned what I'm going to learn, period, and I don't want to repeat it. Then you'll begin to look for something different, and it's a habit. Then you practice.
Speaker 1:You practice looking for something different, doing things differently, and as soon as you catch yourself falling back into the habit of what created the reality that you're not necessarily liking, that you're calling a human experience, then you immediately stop that behavior and you exchange it with the new behavior to further sink in the new habit that you want. Because the old habit is ingrained into the mind and it's kind of like driving around in a pasture. You're naturally going to want to go down that path that has the tire marks ingrained in it, rather than creating a new trail. Until you've created that new trail in your brain to where there's actually a road there in that direction. It'll feel weird and it'll feel awkward and you may find yourself veering off into the old comfortable habit or pattern or whatever until you've recreated the new path okay and if you're not aware of it and can't catch it, then it'll catch you by surprise and you'll find yourself just doing those habits mindlessly again.
Speaker 2:Okay, so how do you discern between successful human interaction and spiritual journey?
Speaker 1:How does it feel?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, like, for example, in my case, there's been many times in my human journey that I've been very successful in doing the things that I do. And how do I know that that was a human journey or a spiritual journey? How do I know? How do I discern between the two?
Speaker 1:Well, you go based on how it feels. It could be a spiritual journey and along the way, there were parts of it that you didn't care for, which was your human making choices along that journey that made it a little more difficult or a little more of a struggle or felt not all together joyful or happy. That's the human perceiving it through the eyes of the belief system that make it go in a direction that you didn't necessarily care for. I mean, if you talk about a specific journey, I can maybe help dial it in, but if we're going to stay general about it, you you can't clump the whole journey together because the whole journey wasn't garbage journey together because the whole journey wasn't garbage.
Speaker 1:You've got to take your own personal time to take the journey, dig through it, find the components of the journey that you enjoyed, make that list, find the components within the journey that you didn't care for and identify each one of those individually and say, okay, why did that part of it happen? Do I want that to stay? Do I want it to go? Do I want to modify it? And you just take each little piece, piece, piece, piece by piece, and you go through the journey so that the next journey that you go on, you're not taking that baggage of experience with you. You're creating a true, authentic new journey, instead of falling into some habitual pattern that feels more comfortable than the new journey that you're going on. We tend to seek Things that feel more comfortable, and the unknown sometimes is uncomfortable Because we don't necessarily Hear All of the Parts and pieces of the journey that are being shown to us.
Speaker 2:Did you say pizza?
Speaker 1:No, I didn't say pizza.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought you said pizza, sorry.
Speaker 1:Are you angry?
Speaker 2:No, it's just you said. I thought you said parts of a pizza.
Speaker 1:I mean it can be identified as a pizza pie cut in different sections, if you so.
Speaker 2:here that way here you're actually kind of leading right into where I wanted to talk about here in this is what if both of those journeys, neither one of them, are uncomfortable? What if that? Like for me, you know, and to be more specific, I have a tendency to do certain habits when I'm trying to create financial abundance. Okay, and none of the journeys are uncomfortable that I have come across yet. Okay, and so how do you discern between the two? That's where I'm trying to get is, how do I know and I'm sure that there are people out there that listen to this that don't understand either how do you discern between two journeys Neither one of them are uncomfortable which?
Speaker 1:one's right. They're both equally right If they bring joy or excitement or pleasure into your life. At that point then you flip a coin or you do them both simultaneously. If they truly hold the same frequency and they truly hold the same level of enjoyment, then you should be able to flip a coin and be okay with no matter which way that coin lands. It's just you making a decision because you have to pick one or the other.
Speaker 1:If you're not in a place where you can pick them both and do both of them, then you should be able to take a coin and journey one is heads, journey two is tells and you flip a coin and literally whatever it lands on, you go and do that journey and it's fine. If you flip that coin and there's any aspect of you that says, and it lands on heads, we'll say, if there's anything in you that that very moment that pops in and says, oh dang, I wish that was tells, then that's a dead ringer, that there is some difference between the two journeys and you need to go in the direction of what and you need to check in again. Okay.
Speaker 1:So maybe play that game If you truly truly have looked at it and are truly truly have, are not tricking yourself into believing that they're both equally fun and equally joyful, and not disguised as anxiety, which can be very close, or nervous or any any um kind of a mild apprehension apprehension which can be. They're very close in frequency to joy and they can be confused. Then you should be able to flip a coin and it not matter how it lands and you go with whichever one the coin lands on, and so the coin flip is actually a pretty good tool when you're trying to pick between two. That doesn't mean that it's necessarily human interference. It just means that you have two things that are equally as enjoyable and you can't necessarily do them at the same time because there's only one of you. Then you should be able to flip a coin and go with whatever it lands on and go, try that one out.
Speaker 2:That's fair, that's a fair analogy, I would say. Now the the other part of that that kind of gets me sometimes is when I do either journey, whatever it is, either journey and I don't do them completely. Okay. Why does that happen?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you tell me.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1:I don't know why is your expectation that you've got to do it completely. Perhaps only doing partially was the motivating factor that your spirit gave you to get you off your butt, to go and start taking action, because maybe you were in a stalemate situation and not knowing which direction to go, and so maybe it was just simply to get you off the couch, going in some direction so that you could get clarity and discernment, and it was never meant to be followed through, it was just to get you energetically, some momentum going in some direction, one way or the other okay.
Speaker 2:So when, when like, for example, the financial abundance journey that I'm on right now I get motivated to do something, but I don't complete it, like this morning, because suddenly the energy changed behind it. Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't understand that. Why would I create a spot where I have a journey that I'm willing to go on and I commit to go doing that journey because I feel like it's guided, but yet the energy changes behind it? Did I miss my opportunity? Did I wait too long? Did? Did the human interjection release from it? Did it believe clear? You know that's more part of the confusion I have today and that's why I'm bringing up this topic.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, in a situation like what you're speaking about, what I teach is I would like for the individual to get to a place where they have a language with their guides, with their inner self, and be able to answer that question themselves. I agree, you have to check in with your own guides, your own guidance system, your own intuitive elements and hear what they are trying to say as to what the answer on a frequency level, so that you can hear the clarity of the answer to help navigate the confusion. Okay.
Speaker 1:And it's there. They're giving it to you. It's just that your frequency is not lined up with it.
Speaker 2:Then how do you do that?
Speaker 1:Practice, you have to practice it.
Speaker 3:But if you don't know how, to do it, do you?
Speaker 2:you can't ignore it and then expect it to be something that you're good at define practice overnight define practice for me like what do you if you don't know how to do in the first place, how do you practice it?
Speaker 1:well, like I've said in previous podcasts, you take small little things and you begin to learn what the frequencies feel like, what the frequencies sound like, what they look like. You've got to learn what your language is with your spirit guide, with your counsel, with your intuition. You've got to first learn what that language is. Does it come through visions? Does it come through audible words in your head? Does it come with a commercial on a TV? A combination of any of those, and asking easy questions and listening for and aligning with the frequency of that to be able to fine tune the skill is what I mean by practicing. So you ask a question am I supposed to have black coffee today or am I supposed to put creamer in it?
Speaker 1:okay so when you ask that question and you stop and you feel and listen and look, if you're standing at the coffee pot and you just ask that simple little question, an answer is going to pop in. Okay. Because it's an easy kind of thing what does it feel like your body wants? And so if you stopped and asked yourself that question, I want you to participate here. It's a participatory kind of practical.
Speaker 2:Oh, you want me here. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:So you're at the coffee pot and you ask yourself okay, do I want black coffee or do I want coffee with creamer?
Speaker 2:Black coffee.
Speaker 1:You automatically know what the answer is. Why? How do you automatically?
Speaker 2:Here's the part that I fall into. I've always drank black coffee.
Speaker 1:So then, how do you know you don't like it with some sort of cream in it.
Speaker 2:Well, I have tasted it with cream in it before, but never wholeheartedly given an attempt to drink coffee with creamer. And so there's that decision based off habit and belief and pattern.
Speaker 1:That's where I'm at is that discern, discernment and understanding what I'm following you. Okay so, okay, okay. So, instead of so you've answered the question I want black coffee. So my next part of that and this is for people that are learning how to identify what some steps are in it Would be okay. How do you know you like the black coffee? Have you tried the coffee with the creamer? Because you've collected your own information and you know that you don't like the creamer in your coffee.
Speaker 2:I have in the past.
Speaker 1:That would be the next question yeah, it was been years ago okay, and have you truly tasted all the variations of types of creamers and stuff in the coffee? Nope okay.
Speaker 1:so then your next question is is am I choosing black coffee because it's a habit or a safe pattern, or am I willing to explore this? Do I want to explore this further and see what it is I like, because you may sometimes want black coffee. Sometimes you may find that when you go on the exploration and you're exploring it, you found that, oh, you know what I like coffee with a little bit of caramel and some ice in it, and so today I feel like having that kind of coffee. Are you willing to go on an exploratory journey with the topic? If you are identifying that you've made the choice you've made at the coffee pot because it was out of habit, and if you're tired of running that habit, are you interested in going on a journey to explore further what the other options are out there? The other possibilities are out there.
Speaker 2:But what's the benefit of it If I am?
Speaker 1:To see what you're missing out on.
Speaker 2:If I enjoy black coffee, though, and yet maybe I have identified it as a pattern, why would I want to put myself through the change?
Speaker 1:You don't have to. That's a choice you get to make. Okay. I'm giving you steps on how to discern whether or not it's a guided or not guided. Okay, so you're just asking yourself questions and if you're perfectly fine with the choice of black coffee, because you threw in that little snag hole, so I was trying to address that.
Speaker 1:No, I get it if you go to the coffee pot and you're like you know what I like black coffee, that's a no-brainer and you pour yourself a cup of black coffee, you sit down and that is the highest level of enjoyment that you are experiencing and choosing to participate in in that very moment. Staying in the now, staying in the moment in that very moment. Staying in the now. Staying in the moment.
Speaker 1:Okay, if the enjoyment looked something like you know what today? I'm kind of bored with black coffee and my highest excitement or my highest enjoyment feels like I want to. You know what? I want to drive to the coffee shop and I want to taste two or three different kinds of coffee prepared a couple of different ways, just because that sounds fun, right. Then you get in the car, you drive to the coffee shop, you order two, three, four or five different kinds, you taste them and you see what you think about it. If you find one that brings you more enjoyment to your taste buds than the black coffee, then you choose to drink that because that's the most enjoyable thing at the moment. Okay.
Speaker 1:If none of those were enjoyable to you, then you may decide to come back to your black coffee, and you've had an experience that says, okay, well, I've tried coffee abcde and none of those were as enjoyable as the black coffee, so I'm going to go back to my black coffee, I'm going to sit down and I'm going to drink my black coffee and I'm going to enjoy it, and that's the most enjoyable place that I'm going to be at right this minute okay now, in that what you just talked about going and trying the other coffee, is that a human interaction into that journey or is that a spiritual interaction into that journey?
Speaker 1:I, it can, it can be identified as as both. I mean, if you're, so I'm trying to decide what is your wanting? If you're having a human interaction that doesn't feel good, that it feels like it's interrupting your enjoyment or your, uh, excitement, if it feels like it you're you're doing something that you wouldn't necessarily want to do, then yes, there is some human interaction going on based on a belief, a pattern or a program. You have to check in on how it feels. Does it feel enjoyable to do whatever it is you're doing? If it doesn't feel right, then there's obviously some perspective that you're seeing the situation through that took you in that direction, and it is usually a belief, pattern, habit, program, something okay.
Speaker 2:So here's another thought that I have, because this happens to me as well. And to go back to the coffee analogy what if I go and I try these other coffees and none of them are uncomfortable, and so does it just open doors for you just to do whatever willy-nilly.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. There is no willy-nilly. It just means that now you've got five different ways you like your coffee and we go back to the coin analogy, where they all are equal, they all are enjoyable. Then you should be able to walk up there, flip a coin and make your decision based on a coin toss or put coffee A, b, c, d, e in a jar, pick one one out and that's the one you're going to hand her and that's when you're going to drink today, because they're all enjoyable okay.
Speaker 2:And so if you're at the coffee shop and the girl behind the counter says why you drink different coffee every day, what do you say?
Speaker 1:none of your goddamn business. I mean, why do you care?
Speaker 2:well, yeah, because that's you know, that's kind of why is it her business?
Speaker 1:what kind of coffee you? She's there to sell coffee right it's not any of her business.
Speaker 2:So you can choose at that point to answer her or not, or or because I want to, because I can you know, because this happens to me a lot is when I there's not a lot of things that really make me uncomfortable to speak very freely okay and there's not anything, really anything, that I'm fearful of. There are things that I humanly worry about, yeah, but I'm not fearful of much of anything. Okay. Because I have a true interior belief in myself, in life, and I don't know that I can identify what makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Well, when people say that to me, it's usually because they have not set in the uncomfortable and identified it to where they can pinpoint the vibration. They usually are doing a pattern of avoiding the uncomfortable or distracting from the uncomfortable so they don't have to experience the uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's my case, though, and that's one of the reasons why, because I have sat in some very uncomfortable situations, some very, very uncomfortable situations in my life, and I think that the uncomfortable situations were so extreme that I see nothing else that's uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:I mean it's possible that because your uncomfortable situations were so extreme that the mildly uncomfortable situations are not being recognized, because you've programmed yourself only to define uncomfortableness as extreme, you're not giving it the levels of variation to be able to discern something that is actually uncomfortable, that you would rather not do, because it's mildly uncomfortable and it doesn't meet your current definition of uncomfortable equals this astronomically life-ending kind of situation, and so this doesn't meet that, and so sometimes it may be that the definition needs to be upgraded. Okay.
Speaker 1:And the levels of that emotion, because each emotion has a gradient. There's a one to 10 scale of each emotion. Like you can be mildly excited, or you can be a 10 on the excitement scale and be overwhelmed with tears or laughter or jumping up and down because you're a 10, or it can be mildly excited, a one where you get that kind of giddy butterfly feeling in your tummy but it doesn't bring you to tears or it doesn't make you want to do back flips or something Same with the other emotions like anger, uncomfortableness, whatever. If you've not integrated the full scale of it and you only have a definition in place that things are only uncomfortable to me when they hit that 10 or maybe an 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 mark and everything else is not going to get identified as uncomfortable, then that means that maybe you need to update your definition, because essentially what can happen is if you're doing something that is, you can just do it on kind of a robotic space, you just do it to get through it because it's mildly uncomfortable, or you can also confuse that mild uncomfortableness as it must be enjoyable because I'm doing it and it's not identified as a 10 on the Richter scale of uncomfortableness. So because my mind doesn't really know how to log it, it must be somewhat enjoyable because I'm getting up and I'm doing it every day.
Speaker 1:So it could be mislogged as an enjoyment or as a neutrality of just something that one does. And then you go back and you say I wish I hadn't done that. It wasn't really very comfortable. Sometimes that'll happen and you can pick it up and find it that way after you've already done it. Pick it up and find it that way after you've already done it. Sometimes that doesn't even happen because the person's not even aware of the fact that it was uncomfortable, because it didn't create that severe uncomfortable experience. That's in the definition. So they'll go ahead and they'll do it because it's not being logged as uncomfortable. It sometimes is not even being logged as anything because the brain doesn't know what to log it as, because it's not given a space. It just is what it is.
Speaker 2:So when, like for example, today, I went on it, this was not an uncomfortable situation for me, and and so I'm trying to figure out. You know, like in the conversation that you and I just had, I'm also trying to figure out how do I not see this uncomfortable stuff?
Speaker 1:okay, well, so the first thing I would bring to attention is if it was truly not uncomfortable for you you as an individual, you yourself, not any other person, their, their thoughts, take all of that out of the way If it truly was not uncomfortable with you and how it went down, there would be no reason for a question. Okay. If you have to question it and it needs more validation or more clarity, then there's something more to it that you're wanting, even if it's on a subconscious level.
Speaker 2:But in that scenario I wasn't questioning it, and so Okay, then why are you questioning it now? I'm just trying to figure out the differences, because I don't understand the differences between a spiritual journey and a human journey. That's where I'm at with. It is because spiritual journeys to me are easy and graceful and I have a whole lot of human journeys that are easy and graceful, or I view them as easy and graceful.
Speaker 1:Then why are you identifying Okay, so here's where maybe the confusion is that are easy and graceful, or I view them as easy and graceful, then why are you identity? Okay, so here here's where maybe the confusion is what is a human journey to you? What is the definition of that? Because we, as spiritual individuals who are going on this awakening journey, versus people who are not on this same kind of journey, we tend to use words and give them different definitions to try and explain different aspects of what we're experiencing, and so in traditionally in the awakening world, the kind of people that we are and the kind of people that are doing this type of lifestyle. What is meant by a human journey is that the human mind, with its beliefs, patterns and programs, is actually what one is using to go through life. Okay, and it's not always an easy one.
Speaker 1:Okay, a spiritually guided journey means that you're listening to your intuition, you're listening to your divine guidance and when you do that, you find that and you're trusting that. You tend to find that the flow of life and the experiences in life are much more pleasant and easy. That's how the collective kind of defines that. Okay.
Speaker 1:The human journey, or the human aspect of the journey, is a little bit more bumpy road. It doesn't mean that one is wrong and one is right. But if you're asking for ease and grace, you want to get clear about what it means to you when you say I am having a human day or I'm having a human journey versus a spiritual journey. You got to find the definition that works for you on those two things. First of all, if you're wanting clarity on what's human versus what's spiritual, on what's human versus what's spiritual Okay.
Speaker 1:And maybe for you there's no need to differentiate the two. Maybe for you it's one and the same and everything is spiritually guided and it just is that.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know about all that, because I've had journeys that aren't fun the last three years to be.
Speaker 1:Just because they're not fun doesn't mean that they're not spiritually guided. If you had a contract that said you wanted to experience that, even though it wasn't going to be fun for growth and development and learning, even though it wasn't going to be fun for growth and development and learning, then you'll go down that track regardless. And so that doesn't necessarily mean that it was a human journey. That just means that you made the decision prior to coming into this meat suit that you wanted to experience that thing.
Speaker 1:And you told your guides and your counsel to make sure that you wanted to experience that thing and you told your guides and your council to make sure that you experienced that because it was going to give you the biggest growth in that area. And even if you go fighting and try to get off path, you still want to experience it. That's why you experience it. It doesn't necessarily mean that it was human. It's when you get those cues along the way and maybe this will be helpful like this, like this morning.
Speaker 1:May I share okay you said you, you, you headed out on your journey and you were going to go and you were going to do this thing, and you came back home.
Speaker 1:You didn't do it because you said the energy changed yep so, when the energy changed, instead of recognizing that the energy changed and coming back home, so to speak, or whatever and human interference would have been not to recognize that the energy changed and continue forward on the journey. Humanly, I don't care that the energy changed. I am going to go and do this thing Because, with the energy changing, I would interpret it based on my own definition. I would have interpreted that as okay, I hear you spirit or intuition. I'm not supposed to necessarily be following this completely through. Give me clarity on what the purpose was to go this far with it. I'd like more understanding and I'm going to just go on back home because I hear you that's a spiritually guided journey.
Speaker 2:It's almost verbatim what I did.
Speaker 1:So a human version of that is okay. Yeah, the energy's changed, but I don't care. I am going to go forth with this and I'm still going to go up there. I'm going to go do this interview, I'm going to sell myself, just like the ad said. And so you go up there, you wait for hours in line to have your turn and by this time you're tired. You're hot because you've got your suit on and you're hungry because it's like past lunch and finally it's your turn. Then you get in there and he gets called away because there's an important phone call, so he's got to stop you. And that might be what the journey would look like, because you humanly went ahead with it.
Speaker 1:I'm just making it up as I go along just to give you kind of the difference between the two experiences from my perspective okay and so for me, if I were in that journey and I had experienced that way, that to me does not feel like ease and grace, it does not feel it would have been beat down it would have felt tiresome, energy draining by that time.
Speaker 1:I would have been frustrated and annoyed. I wouldn't have been able to really even focus on selling myself, um, in an interview process. I would have just been done and I probably would have gone ahead and just walked out and left, knowing me and my personality. That's the difference in what I would, how I have human versus spirit defined for me, in how the two go, one is an easy one, even though I left feeling like, okay, I hear you and I'm going to stop, but I don't completely understand it yet. I'm going to ask for clarification, listen for the answer and trust that it'll be shown to me and whatever way I can hear it, see it or acknowledge it, versus the other way that was absolutely just miserable. That was the human side of me that said, yep, I feel the energy change, but I'm gonna do this anyway well, you almost said prepaid.
Speaker 2:And when I said in the car, when energy did change, you know it was a for me it became more about I didn't understand what had just happened and like every part of me is like, yeah, just go home and that's what I did. And so the I guess what I'm getting to is that is probably for me, and I guess what I'm getting to is that is probably for me. This topic is one of the hardest things for me to discern, because I have so much confidence and trust in myself that there's not too many journeys that I log as uncomfortable, and because I have been through some things in my life, and in my life I have learned to trust in myself and to just follow the next best feeling thing and do the do that with and do do it both feet in 100%, commit to it and do it, and that's kind of where I have. I have been a lot in my life and my journeys and I hope that people out there can hear this and listen and understand that I think my journeys are identified better by the next best feeling thing and just going with the flow. You know, going with the flow of things and because that is.
Speaker 2:That is a hard thing for me to discern. I have, I do struggle with identifying spiritual journey, human journey. Of course I rely on my visions and my you know, my energetic reads on things a lot and when people can understand their own differentiates of those, I think it's a beneficial thing you know differentiate of those. I think it's a beneficial thing you know understanding how to get to the point of identifying human interaction or human interjection, and spiritual journey, because spiritual journey is supposed to be easy and graceful not always and well, that's how the collective I mean, if you want to define it as that you can like.
Speaker 1:It comes down to how you want to define it yeah like it comes down to literally.
Speaker 1:You have to stop and look at your definition of how you're going to define it for yourself I, I agree, sometimes a spiritual journey can be challenging, but the reward at the end is very much worth it and very much a part of your fiber and your being and and and you know that that's what you wanted to experience. And so, even though the, even though the journey is difficult, you still have this inner knowing. You still have this inner knowing if you're in language with your intuition and your, your guides and yourself. Even though the journey is difficult or uncomfortable, you know like you'd like, like you know it's just a knowing that I'm still supposed to be here. It's not time for me to eject out of this, or I am supposed to do this, and whatever comes out of it or whatever comes out on the other end, is what I signed up for. So sometimes the journey can be challenging and it can be difficult. Okay.
Speaker 1:Because you signed up to take those more challenging journeys for your growth and development okay I know that is probably not helping the question around the human versus spiritual guidance, and I mean essentially, if you want to take it down a rabbit hole, you can.
Speaker 2:We'll have to do that on a second podcast.
Speaker 1:I mean whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2:It matters not. Well, I think this will definitely be turned into a second podcast because I'm not done with the subject yet, but we're hitting our time limit for the upload.
Speaker 1:It needs something Like I still feel like there's some confusion out there on the human um versus spiritual aspect, and I guess the note that I would leave everybody with is you, you've got to first clarify the definition of those two things. Okay. And decide for yourself what is the definition of human interference and spiritual guidance.
Speaker 2:I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 1:That would be the first place to start.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at, and the second step would be to check into how it feels. If it feels off from your natural state of being, then there's something more to look at. There's a belief, there's a pattern, there's a habit. If you have to stop and ask a question on anything you're doing or any topic or any word or anything, if there's ever a question or a need to further justify your experience in it, then there's more to look at.
Speaker 1:Because whenever you make a decision to do something, if somebody asks you questions about it, you won't feel the need to expound on it or justify it. You just know that it is what you're supposed to be doing and it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. It doesn't matter what anybody's opinion is. It just doesn't matter to you because you know that you're doing what you're spiritually guided to do. If it's a human experience and you're kind of going against what you're being spiritually guided to do, that's when the monkey business comes in of questioning yourself Questions will pop up or being worried about what they think. When the girl asks why you pick a different coffee every morning, you will not feel the need to even answer her. You literally will grab your coffee, go sit down your table and not even give her an answer.
Speaker 1:you just won't even feel the need to engage with her like fair enough if it's something that you're questioning within yourself because it's not a spiritually guided journey and it's more human, then what she asks you will bother you and you'll feel the need to justify to her which is you actually justifying to yourself, why you're doing what you're doing? Sometimes we have conversations with other people because we're justifying to our own selves, because our voice is the biggest programmer of our own minds and our own beliefs. Okay.
Speaker 1:And we need to hear what we have to say, but sometimes we won't listen unless we say it to somebody else.
Speaker 2:Fair enough. I enjoy the assessment. I like that Anyway.
Speaker 1:I would start with those steps.
Speaker 2:Real quick. Dr Jenny's book's about to come out Whoop, whoop. Scripted from within. It should be available for pre-sale on Amazon right now For Dr Jenny. Itop Scripted from within. It should be available for presale on Amazon right now for Dr. It's under a script, it's called scripted from within and, uh, it's Dr Jenny's book on. How would you describe your book?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean basically the topic that we're talking about. I take you through an entire journey of understanding the belief process, how it looks, what you can do about it, how to work through it, how beliefs, patterns and programs literally can muck it all up. Muck it all up, how you can untangle it and start living life from a place of creating your reality rather than it being on autopilot. You begin to be the author of your own reality.
Speaker 2:Was that a plug? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:And writing your own story, rather than just living on autopilot thinking that there's nothing that you can do about it. Okay, and writing your own story, rather than just living on autopilot thinking that there's nothing that you can do about it.
Speaker 2:Nice, yeah, it is available for free order on Amazon. Nice. And it should be completely released tonight. It's under $15 and it's probably the best $15 you ever spent. I would agree. Of course you may be a little tonight.
Speaker 1:It's under $15, and it's probably the best $15 you'll ever spend. I would agree.
Speaker 2:Of course you may be a little biased, you wrote it.
Speaker 1:I'm a little particular.
Speaker 2:But anyway, scripted from within and I think we'll put it on the website too, right? I think we're going to link that. We'll do a link on the website so you can click it directly from the website at wwwthemerccentersorg. That is M-E-R-C-C-E-N-T-E-R-Sorg. Yeah, merck Centers, m-e-r-c Centersorg, right? Also, don't forget to like, follow and share.
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Speaker 2:Thank you all for listening and have an awesome day.
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