The Spiritual Grind
Dr. Jenni PhD,RN,CHLC,CH and medium and Rev. James ORD, MhsB have spent countless years studying and practicing many modalities within the "Spiritual" domain. Dr. Jenni has dedicated her life to helping others by attending countless schools and developing each of her practices and strategies. Rev. James has studied many modalities and Native American practices and they have Both decided to open their library of knowledge to share this information with everyone in a down to earth style, with hope to assist in making your journey easier and more abundant.
The Spiritual Grind
Self-Sacrifice vs. Soul Contracts: Finding Your Voice in a Spiritual Journey
The spiritual path often leads us to struggle with a critical question: When is it appropriate to stop self-sacrificing and stand up for ourselves? In this enlightening conversation, we explore the emotional journey that comes with giving yourself permission to fight for what's right while maintaining spiritual integrity.
Many spiritual seekers find themselves caught in patterns of excessive self-sacrifice, allowing difficulties to accumulate until their cup "runneth over." We discuss how standing up for yourself can initially feel uncomfortable—like you're "humanly interjecting" into a situation that should be handled with spiritual detachment. This discomfort manifests as an emotional yo-yo, swinging between pride in standing your ground and questioning why you're facing these challenges at all.
The conversation delves into a profound realization: being on a spiritual journey doesn't mean submission. Sometimes, affecting another person's journey through your actions is precisely what was negotiated between your souls. When you avoid necessary confrontation out of fear of causing discomfort, you might actually be avoiding an essential spiritual mission.
We share practical techniques for managing these challenging situations, including the powerful "What If" game. By consciously reframing scenarios with positive "what if" possibilities, you can shift your energy and perspective. Remember that problems and solutions exist at different frequencies—sometimes you need to step away from the "mucky water" to gain clarity.
Physical and emotional releases often accompany these breakthroughs, from tears to sensations of lightness, as your body chemistry adjusts to new perspectives. The ultimate takeaway? Have confidence that fulfilling your soul's contractual obligations leads to growth, and it's absolutely acceptable to give yourself permission to be authentic in every situation.
What areas of your life might be calling for you to stop self-sacrificing and start standing in your power?
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Speaker 1:So we, as spiritual beings, have a tendency I say, oh, I can't clump everybody in I, as a spiritual being, have a tendency to try to navigate life without hurting or bothering others. I try to accomplish my life with morals and ethics and try to my best to really not negatively affect anything and leave everything better than I found it. And we do that a lot of times, self-sacrifice things and we, but we don't really realize that we're doing it. And when we do that and when you figure out that you are doing it, the way it feels to give yourself the permission to stand up and fight when you need to fight for something almost feels like you're humanly interjecting into something.
Speaker 2:Say more.
Speaker 1:So like, for example, when you're going through a spiritual life and you really try not to affect anybody else's bubble in a negative manner, you will self-sacrifice or allow things to happen until you your cup runneth over okay and giving yourself the permission to stand up and fight for what, to write and fix those things that we have self-sacrificed when we've been wronged kind of can feel like we're humanly interjecting and so that feels like what?
Speaker 2:Use your emotional guidance system and say what that feels like.
Speaker 1:Well, it starts with anger, you get mad about it and then you work through your emotions to where you get neutral in it and you're like you know what. I'm tired of playing it. I'm tired of doing this.
Speaker 1:I'm going to stand up for what's right okay, what's okay, and then that feels better yes, when you get to that neutrality spot yucky too well, it it bounces it yo-yos for me and that's where I'm at in the in my conversation is yeah, I bounce back and forth from excited and proud I'm going to stand up for myself, or whatever that is, or then it goes over to golly man. Why do I have to do this? Why am I in this situation where I have to do it?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so you yo-yo a little bit, and it makes you feel very uncomfortable about your world.
Speaker 2:I can see that.
Speaker 1:And so that's where my topic is today is giving yourself the permission to. You know, there's an old phrase If you can't stand up for one thing, you have to find something to stand up for, and standing up for yourself. That's it Now. That was an old phrase. It was back years ago. I got her into the personal development class.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Um, but everybody should stand up for something, because nobody's ever going to stand up for you until you stand up for yourself. And that's kind of where that was, and where this topic goes for me is when is it okay to give yourself permission to quit self-sacrificing, to stop it, you know? Just stand up for you because nobody's gonna. Nobody's gonna stand up for you because nobody's going to. Nobody's going to stand up for you unless you do it yourself. Okay, in today's world it used to be, you know, people would stand up for each other, and nowadays, man, it's like every man for themselves.
Speaker 2:It can certainly feel that way for sure. Was that a rhetorical question, or did you want me to answer it?
Speaker 1:Well, it's rhetorically answered. I guess I don't know where this podcast is going, but it's just my topic, because it's time for people to realize that being on a spiritual journey does not mean you have to be submissive. You don't have to bow down to everybody or everything. It's okay to stand up for what you believe in. It's okay to stand up for what you know is right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:I think the reminder I want to give, though, is standing up for what you believe in, for yourself, or standing up for yourself, and coming out of this self-sacrifice template doesn't have to necessarily be a fight, and it doesn't necessarily have to be an ugly journey.
Speaker 2:That's the first thing I would bring to light, and the other part of it is I want to remind you and others that sometimes, changing people's lives by way of your actions is what was a negotiation between the two of you and it's supposed to happen, and so don't get tangled up humanly in the. I don't want to change people's lives, because that could very well be the mission itself in that particular event, scenario, whatever situation, life. Because you view what will happen as a possible uncomfortable situation for them, and you don't want to be the root cause of that, you may be not honoring the underlying mission that you and that other human on a soul and on a soul level, agreed that you would be that person for that other individual so that they could experience the contrast in a negative way for their healing, their growth, their evolution.
Speaker 2:so you got to remember that part of, and that goes kind of deep.
Speaker 1:I get it, it's, it's kind of a rabbit hole yeah.
Speaker 2:But you just want to make sure that you don't your human opinion of okay, if I do this thing, I have created an opinion that if I do this, these things are going to happen and they may or may not happen. First of all, and when they do happen, it's going to cause this, this and this for that person. And you have to remember, it may not cause this, this and this for that person unless that person, on a spiritual level, with their own higher self, is meant to experience it that way. So you're kind of, in essence, allowing the monkey mind to create your version of what you think the story is going to do and how the action taking that you're doing is going to play out, and it may not be completely truthful story. So, then, you're acting on a story that you created, based on your perspective and your opinions, and it will prevent you from doing what you're supposed to do within it.
Speaker 1:I totally agree with you. I think where I'm coming from from a little different perspective, is, throughout the process of self-sacrificing and all those things I basically allowed myself to be, things happen and things to be done to me and whatever and now that I've got to that point, to where that switch is flipped, it's not about worrying about what's going to happen to the other person, it's about the. It's like that. God, now I got to do this. You know the.
Speaker 2:But what I'm trying to get you to point out is is, if it doesn't feel good, there's something more to look at.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I agree with that it should feel better.
Speaker 1:Agreed and it does for me. It is in a better, it's in a feel better place than I was in, Okay, and so it is up the emotional ladder for me, for me to stand up and fight for what's right and for myself and quit self, self-sacrificing and whatever. Whatever that journey brings, I have to be open to you know, but it's still. You get that human response of dang I gotta, I gotta do this. You know what I mean. Like, like it's regret, but, and so I guess where I want the podcast to go is making sure that we understand what you just said is this stuff is journey.
Speaker 1:A lot of it's contracted. We create it with our intentions and our beliefs, and the world that we're in is definitely our own individual world that we have created, and so what I'm viewing as self-sacrifice was just steps in or parts of a play that is playing out and that I have signed up for. I have a script and I'm going through the processes of it, through my intentions and beliefs, but my human has that tendency to be like holy cow again, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's kind of where I were. I want people to understand that when you get to that point and for me cause I'm kind of working through this right now on air with you guys when we get to that point, to where you're fed up enough of something, it is okay to not look at it as if you self-sacrifice, but look at it in a way that you are just playing a part in a, in a, in a script, on a script, and could be a contractual obligation. It's okay to not allow yourself to go into a negative thought process. Clear the beliefs and set the intentions appropriately that everything works out the way as it should.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean yes, but it's also an opportunity for you to get a little more clear on taking your own accountability of what your reality is showing you within it too, and that, if it's bothering you and it's creating some sort of emotion on the emotional guidance system that it's, it's divulging to you that you're ready for an internal change, an internal upgrade, whether it be letting go of a belief or pattern or program or habit, or updating it or whatever. It's telling you that it's time and that you're strong enough and you're ready to let this one go or modify it or something. So don't forget that aspect of it either.
Speaker 1:Understood. No, I am 100% on board with you, because there's many different directions that this can go and how many directions we have to be open to. Because when you make the decision to stand up for what you believe in and what you know is the right morally and ethical thing to do you, for me, it runs through this gauntlet of different scenarios and stuff in my mind and and I can't allow that to overpower me and let the monkey mind in I just have to allow things to be what they're going to be and set the intention that it works out perfectly. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2:I do somewhat. Yeah, we create our own reality.
Speaker 1:You smacked me so. So, I did what you went I smacked you, you smacked me.
Speaker 2:I just I want to make sure that we understand that we create our own reality and the situations and circumstances that come up in our reality. At the end of the day, they're still mirroring back to us what we can do to improve ourselves through our beliefs, patterns and programs. And so, you know, don't forget to look at that part of it, because that's in essence, that's basically what is being shown to you is hey, you're good, you're done with this, yo dog, you're good.
Speaker 1:Let's do with this. Yo dog, you're good.
Speaker 2:Let's do something with it. But hey, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:How do you call an amoeba? I don't know. Do you know what an amoeba is?
Speaker 1:What gal.
Speaker 2:You call them on a cellular phone phone. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the dad joke portion of the spiritual grind. Me and Alexa had a moment this morning and I found it quite comical. It tickled my funny bone. I get it. I do, I get it.
Speaker 1:It's a play on words. That was dad joke central.
Speaker 2:I was like wow, alexa, that's pretty clever girl.
Speaker 1:That's a dad joke.
Speaker 2:It is, it's like those three aliens oh oh my gosh, those, those guys are so freaking hilarious. I laugh all day long at those silly things and them being in the shape of the alien and they're laughing and doing that. It just cracks me up, man. It is a tool I use often when I'm in a in a fussy spot in a grumpy spot and I can't seem to find a feel better place until I can always get lexa to tell me a joke or go to those alien guys and watch a little bit of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have them on, I subscribe to them too, but they haven't been posting anything new lately.
Speaker 2:No, I agree, but I can still go to the old stuff.
Speaker 1:I got a joke for you when are turkeys from? I don't know, An egg Duh.
Speaker 2:I think that one was worse than mine. That was more.
Speaker 1:The crowd loved it.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, that one was dourish than mine was.
Speaker 1:Now I've lost my train of thought. Now I've lost my train of thought. So I'm in a place now to where I feel better about it. I'm kind of releasing the energy about it, because, man, that energy is heavy.
Speaker 2:Energy is real heavy. It is heavy, it can be heavy, heavy.
Speaker 1:And I'm open and receptive to where spirit is going to take us and what we're going to do in our next journeys with writing the book and all that stuff. I'm very hopeful and very intentionally enjoying writing the book.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So for the listeners, when you're going through a moment like that where it is very, very heavy energy, through a moment like that where it is very, very heavy energy, maybe a new way to look at it would be, from a place of curiosity, and maybe a little bit of excitement could be sprinkled in there, because you say to yourself, yeah, this is a heavy section and it feels a little difficult, but what I know from past experience that I'm really excited about is when I come out of this on the other side, it's going to feel so much better and I'm going to have grown and evolved, and so I look forward to what's going to happen after this. Yeah, and then playing this is something I do.
Speaker 2:I play a kind of a what-if game, and so I take different scenarios of the possible outcomes and I play with them and I say, okay, well, what if this happens? Or what if this happens, or what if this happens? And I try to, with each what if, put a more desirable storyline to it and I just kind of keep building on that. Ooh, yeah, and then what if this happens? And this happens? It's kind of like did you ever play house, for example, with a friend or play some sort of robotic game.
Speaker 1:Did I play house? Oh my God, I opened the door.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I apologize. So for me, as a human being brought up as a female, we're taught to play house, so when to play house, so when we play house with like our best friend, for example.
Speaker 1:In your little kitchen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in our little kitchen the scene would go something like this and we'll call her Beth Beth, best friend Beth, okay, okay. So I'm going to be the mom and you're going to be the kid and I'm gonna say this come on, beth, let's get ready to go to the store. And you're gonna say okay, mom, I'll be ready in just a minute and you like plan out verbally the whole scene or the script of that section of you playing house, and so the what if? Game that I play is kind of like that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I take the uncomfortable situation, I acknowledge that you know what, if it's coming up and if it's showing in my reality, it means I'm ready and strong enough and willing to either let it go or reformat it. And then what I do, while I'm kind of waiting for that to happen, is I play the what if game and I kind of try to get myself more and more to a higher frequency place by adding, I guess as since we're in the book mode, I'm adding more scenes to it and each scene is a little bit higher vibration on the emotional guidance system. So I'm in that kind of junky place of dealing with I don't know an employee and I've had to maybe dismiss them at their job. I'm just using an example. Okay, and I don't really like doing that and it's a pretty heavy energy.
Speaker 1:It is a real heavy energy, because it's a good example of how you quandary with.
Speaker 2:You know I'm changing this person's journey, but then I have to remember that if it wasn't in their journey to be done with this job, this wouldn't have presented done with this job, this wouldn't have presented and if I hadn't agreed to be the person that relieves them of this job so they can go on and find their perfect job or their next place they're supposed to be, my higher self would not have put me in this situation, because I trust my higher self always puts me in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 2:Me in the right place at the right time. So, to make myself feel better, or to help myself feel better in that situation, I will play the put if game and I'll say okay, so what if, by me releasing this individual from this job, they then are motivated to go out and find that job? That really, really accentuates their joy and their desire, and they find that job because I have been able to implant in them a educational platform that gives them the confidence to go and seek that job they weren't able to seek before. Okay, or what if they go and they apply for that job with their newfound empowerment that I helped form and they find the perfect job and they become the president of the company and they are loving it and whatever, whatever. In that scenario, if it's me and I am the receiver of such a scenario, then I say the same kind of simple thing Okay, what if, by me being relieved at this job, it gives me the opportunity to open new doors to where I can go on my next journey and find that perfect job that I absolutely can't wait to get up to go to and do and have a deep-seated love for and passion?
Speaker 2:And so I just kind of play that what if? Game, and then I'll sit for a few minutes and visualize in my mind's eye what that version of me would actually look like and what they would do along that journey. And so sometimes it would be that I would take a moment to visualize myself going on the interview, the interview going amazingly well, me getting the job, shaking hands with the interviewer and accepting the job for exactly the right amount of money that I wanted doing, whatever the job is, and that further adds to the energetic trajectory of creating that better feeling place, but also the scenario that you're wanting to happen. So those are some techniques I use along my journey and when I find myself in those situations are you ever going to answer the stones question?
Speaker 1:I'm sorry you're ever going to answer the stone's question. I'm sorry. Are you ever going to answer the stone's question? They've been raising their hand forever and you never called on. That poor stone, that poor hand's been sitting up there in the air forever. Nobody knows what you're talking about it's raising his hand and you haven't called on it.
Speaker 2:Listen, guys, we need to get video up and going. Let me set the scene for you. I sit at my microphone and here in my space I have a palm reader hand that's made out of wood and it's got a picture of, like the sun, the moon, different hieroglyphs that represent different things for me, and it's a hand that's kind of in the high five stance and it stands up kind of like somebody raising their hand, and then gathered around are all these different stones of different shapes and sizes, points, colors, spheres, all of that. That's what my space looks like. His obviously looks much different. So he's commenting on the fact that I have this hand and I'm not calling on it to answer the question. I don't know what the question is.
Speaker 1:You're totally right. That's a great way to change perspective and make it a feel better place is to create those. What if positive moments, not negative. Don't create those what if? What if positive moments, not negative. Don't let the what if be negative make the weight.
Speaker 2:Make the what if positive yeah, if you can get there. Sometimes that's a little tough, sometimes it is, sometimes it's a struggle it is for me anyway, it may not be for anybody else.
Speaker 1:Sometimes, when the what ifs come in like the first three or four, is kind of always the worst case scenario. What if?
Speaker 2:yeah, and those can be beneficial because, you know, if you set yourself up with the worst case scenario and then you come up with solutions to those worst case scenarios that there's nothing really to be concerned about or afraid of and that kind of dissolves and dissipates into nothingness because there's no validation to it, yeah, I agree, interesting.
Speaker 1:So now, as the day goes on for me, I'm feeling a little better about life and I'm trying to explain to the audience because we're going to have people that listen to this. I'm trying to explain to the audience because we're going to have people that listen to this and I want everybody to understand that we put out scenarios that people go through and we try to talk through that for them.
Speaker 2:Right, using them as examples. We try to use real life examples that we've experienced with clients or even with ourselves. Yeah, with ourselves, yeah, with ourselves, and it's as best as we can, and divulging as much of the facts that we are at liberty to divulge. Yeah, but where are you going with that?
Speaker 1:oh, I just wanted people to understand that these are scenarios that that we want to bring out there to talk through, because people go through these. There are challenges that pop up where people have self-sacrifice for years and when it does pop up into the reality that the self-sacrifice is not beneficial anymore as generally a spiritual journey that you have set forth the time and this is when it's going to end and it's okay to be um on top of it, but don't always don't. This is not a cookie cutter answer for anybody.
Speaker 2:No, I guess that's what I'm trying to get at. None of the information that we put out there is cookie cutter.
Speaker 1:Right. So you have to find ways to balance your own emotional ladder and your own beliefs and your own intentions and figure out. What is it that I'm learning in this? What's the solution? Let the what if stories come and go, you know, and just allow yourself to be in the moment with it and figure out, or not really figure out. Allow the journey to open doors for you and change the way you want to feel, because you obviously are no longer resonating with that feeling. And when you no longer resonate, then you have to.
Speaker 2:It's okay to do something different yep, it's okay to plug in and update your processing system and it doesn't have to be at midnight no, I don't but you do want to listen to the notifications of when it's time yeah, you do, and see the signs and watch for those roadmap of your journey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you know, one thing to remember is is that if you're not listening to when it's time, it'll keep presenting itself because you'll keep having that same frequency which gives you that same perspective and the same belief template that you're seeing your reality through. And so because of that, inadvertently, you'll keep recreating similar situations until you finally are fed up enough to where you stop and look at it and listen and hear and do something about it. Universal. Keep matching that frequency and bringing it to you.
Speaker 1:And just realize that things change and that's okay. Change is part of us as humans.
Speaker 2:Change is the only constant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we're here for the human experience.
Speaker 2:Right. Change is good, change is fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Change is good. Change is fun, I agree. I mean there are parts of me as a human that I struggle with it as well, but I know spiritually it's good. Humanly I still battle with that sometimes and I know there's a lot of people that do too. A lot of people don't like change.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a lot of people I mean, but that's a programmed thing programmed thing. It is Back in the day way, way before us, change was viewed as not good Agreed. The society. They programmed everybody to go to college, get your education, find your job and stay there forever.
Speaker 1:Even that's changed.
Speaker 2:Even buy a house and put it on a 30-year note and pay it off and live in it forever. Even that's changed. Even buy a house and put it on a 30-year note and pay it off and live in it forever.
Speaker 1:Yes, ew, how boring is that.
Speaker 2:Ew.
Speaker 1:And I lost my train of thought. That thought raged right through and took off.
Speaker 2:You're done with it.
Speaker 1:I'm done with it.
Speaker 2:You're a whole new you now.
Speaker 1:I am, I agree, I kind of feel blank a little bit actually Huh.
Speaker 2:Blank canvas. Yeah, to bring forth the history or to leave it where it's at.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what to say now. I'm lost.
Speaker 2:You're not lost, but I was found. You're not lost, I know. Just in a spot of neutrality, I think, which is a beautiful place to be, sometimes, whenever you have an opportunity to have things brought to your awareness and poop them out.
Speaker 1:You said poop.
Speaker 2:I did because sometimes it's fun to poop.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's fun to say that's what I meant. It's kind of like moist. That's a fun word to say too.
Speaker 2:You know what that's crazy? Because there's a lot of people that hate that word.
Speaker 1:My armpits are so moist.
Speaker 2:today Is there a phobia, an actual diagnosed phobia, of saying or hearing the word moist? I'd be curious to know, because there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1:Moist.
Speaker 2:There's an individual that works for us that does not like that word. I am like it's just a word. What does it mean? Like? What does it mean Like? What does it?
Speaker 1:mean in your reality. It's so crazy and funny to me. You know, I used to have an employee years ago and she hated the word thrust, because we used to say we would thrust a payment through. And that's how the? Because back in the day, when you would do electronic payment from bank to bank yeah you. You literally had like on our bank.
Speaker 1:It actually said thrust on the when you were on the computer right or when you called, they would say do you want me to thrust that through? I don't know what it stands for in the banking world. I'm sure it stood for something back then, but this employee of mine hated that word.
Speaker 2:How funny she's like would you quit?
Speaker 1:saying that. That sounds so disgusting.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's crazy, it is.
Speaker 1:How do you have a phobia of a word?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I've never had one.
Speaker 2:I mean, the only thing I could think of is if she had some sort of traumatic event around sex.
Speaker 1:Maybe, maybe. Are you Chris Hayden? I'm not saying anything. No-transcript. Everybody tried to use thrust in the sentence the whole time.
Speaker 2:I could see that totally.
Speaker 1:Hey, would you thrust me that pencil? Especially if it annoys somebody.
Speaker 2:It's fun to make them the butt of the thrusting joke, yep.
Speaker 1:What? You turned that into a weird phrase.
Speaker 2:I did nothing of the sort, I just chose to put it in a sentence.
Speaker 1:That is such a moist topic you made my armpits moist, so to kind of turn it all back around. When you go through these things, and I think one of the biggest parts of the spiritual grind that everybody should understand is it's okay to talk through it, it's okay to be in it, it's okay to live in the moment and it is completely okay for you to allow yourself to be in the moment as well.
Speaker 2:It is, but in addition to that, it's okay to just be the observer and not get directly involved in it, agreed, or even if you are pulled into it, it's okay to take yourself out of it and say no new boundaries, I'm setting them. I am not going to be a part of this. It's okay to not jump around.
Speaker 1:I shall not play anymore in that pool. I have spoken, I have spoken.
Speaker 2:It's okay to take yourself out of it, especially if it's a place that is uncomfortable and it's causing a yucky feeling on your guidance, emotional guidance system and you're not quite at the place where you can find the belief or pattern. Sometimes you got to take a break from being in the mucky water and come out of it so they can have a different perspective, and that's because the problem and the solution don't occupy the same frequency.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And so if you're too deep in the problem or the contrast, you may need to put that on hold and stop participating in it, so that you can get to a different frequency or closer to the frequency of the solution, which may be okay. It's time to get rid of this belief so that you can actually hear it or see it or get the message or read the sign.
Speaker 1:I agree. You know the vibrational level of all of that. It changes pretty dramatically when you free it up.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, 100%, Even to the point where I've had clients say you know, the minute that it releases, they get.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm done with my sessions.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying, they get physical symptoms.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I feel dizzy, I feel lightheaded, I feel light. I'm crying, I feel, you know, moist in the armpits Because you thrust in that freedom.
Speaker 2:They are overtaken with tears. Yeah, that happens on a chemistry level and on an energetic level, because whenever you release something, tears represent letting go, but they also are washing away the chemicals that were tied to that, giving the body on a cellular level, permission to wash away that chemical that's no longer necessary and creating new chemicals and redoing the neural pathway around that topic. Yeah, so, and that's a study scientifically that you could look up. If you're having trouble putting the pieces together, you can go do research on those things.
Speaker 1:Agreed.
Speaker 2:There's studies. You can read about it.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I think the takeaway for me today, after working not only through our talk time but through this podcast, is a takeaway for me is confidence within yourself that the contractual obligation you're completing is a better place and you, it's okay to give yourself the permission slip to be whoever you are within it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and not only that, but sometimes, like you started out saying, you have a hard time whenever you think that you're going to affect somebody's journey, remembering that it may be the actual mission to affect that person's journey in that way.
Speaker 1:Consume this message after reading.
Speaker 2:And you're aiming like eat it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that used to be the top secret paper. It said at the bottom of it consume paper after reading Right.
Speaker 2:And so on. Pink Panther, he eats the paper. Or this message will self-destruct, and then and so, just remembering that, you can release that once you've been the character in their play for them. But you got to check in with it and just see what's the purpose. Ask the question, yeah, and then listen for the answer.
Speaker 1:I agree.
Speaker 2:And if you're still kind of feeling yucky, take some of your tools out of your toolkit. Get yourself to feeling better, which will raise your frequency, which will then put you in more of an alignment with being able to hear the information that's coming to you from your higher self, which lives all the time at the higher frequency.
Speaker 1:Love it. You're awesome. No, you're awesome. No, you're awesome.
Speaker 2:You're awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, I think I feel pretty complete with this topic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't forget, I wrote a book man, I know right, we wrote books.
Speaker 1:Y'all pay attention and wait for the release. We'll let y'all know. Book launch coming your way Double book launch coming your way, ooh double Ooh ha, ha, ha ha. Double book launch.
Speaker 2:Double book launch. I feel like that was a little bit weird, that was a Halloween laugh.
Speaker 1:Editor cut that out, Cut that out.
Speaker 1:That reminded me of that Brad. What is his name? The little guy that does the comedic? And he told that story the other day when he met John Stamos and Bob Saget, but it was pretty funny. If y'all haven't heard that stand-up comedian, he's a little person. His name's Brad, I think Brad McDonald or something like that, but look up that skit. It was pretty funny. Anyway, I feel pretty complete. Guys, if you have any spiritual grinds that you want to talk about, you know it's okay to comment, send us a message. Whatever you want to do, go to the website. You can email through the website, you can message on the website, on the message board, and uh we'll grind them out.
Speaker 1:We'll grind them out we're right here for you because you know we grind too every day. We run through the spiritual grind every single day and we're here with you. We're here for you and with you. Editor, it's okay, that's Dr Jenny making that noise.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I was playing with my blue ball.
Speaker 1:Did you ever answer the question?
Speaker 2:I always answer all the questions.
Speaker 1:You guys don't forget to like, follow and share and uh, uh, let your tell your friends about it. Man, put it on Facebook and don't forget to ring that. Hey guys, you everybody have an awesome day.
Speaker 2:Ring the bell. You forgot to love you. Love you, we'll see you next time.
