The Spiritual Grind
The Spiritual Grind is a candid, down-to-earth podcast hosted by Dr. Jenni Emery, PhD, RN, CHLC, CH, and Rev. James Emery, MHSB, exploring personal growth, mindset, belief systems, leadership, and real-world transformation.
Drawing from decades of study, lived experience, and practical application, Jenni and James bridge the gap between spirituality, psychology, business, and everyday life. Their conversations move beyond theory, offering honest insight into how beliefs are formed, how patterns repeat, and how intentional awareness can create lasting change.
Rather than promoting labels, dogma, or shortcuts, The Spiritual Grind focuses on clarity, responsibility, and personal agency—meeting listeners exactly where they are and giving them tools to move forward with confidence, depth, and authenticity.
Each episode blends thoughtful dialogue, real stories, and grounded perspective designed to support growth in both personal and professional life—without hype, pressure, or pretense.
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The Spiritual Grind
Unveiling Life's Breadcrumbs and Adventures
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What if the movies you watch aren't just a source of escape, but a powerful tool for self-discovery and personal growth? We're back after a brief hiatus to explore this intriguing concept, sharing lighthearted stories about how films have unexpectedly shaped our perspectives and enriched our lives. Through personal anecdotes, we unravel the subtle ways movies inspire us to be more open-minded and receptive to life's guidance, often delivered through the most unassuming signs and interactions.
Our conversation takes a deeper dive into the art of changing perspectives and self-perception by discussing how inflexible expectations often stand in the way of our true desires. By remaining open and aware, we uncover the profound messages from our higher selves that can guide us through life's challenges, such as dealing with skin cancer and self-image issues. These experiences remind us of the importance of embracing flexibility and appreciating the diverse perspectives of others, especially when our own self-view is skewed.
Imagine a whimsical motorcycle ride through the Ozark Mountains, where environmental clues become a compass for personal growth. We share the joy of turning reluctance into adventure and discuss how these unexpected experiences teach us to recognize and appreciate life's little breadcrumbs. Wrapping up with an exploration of energy and consciousness, we emphasize the value of maintaining mindfulness and acceptance, even in uncertainty. We offer relatable strategies, like enjoying Disney movies, to keep a positive frequency and foster authentic personal growth amidst life's complexities.
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Good morning everybody. Welcome back to the podcast, the Spiritual Grind. Good morning, We've been off mic for like 10 days. We missed it, I missed it.
Speaker 2For sure.
Speaker 1And enjoying doing the podcast, having a good time.
Speaker 2I don't know how to act. I don't know how to act.
Speaker 1You don't know how to act.
Speaker 2No.
Speaker 1Because you're back on the mic or because we went 10 days without doing the podcast.
Speaker 2I'm in withdrawal.
Speaker 1Oh no, Are you shrinking away?
Speaker 2I'm shrinking, I'm shrinking, incredible, shrinking woman.
Speaker 1Incredible shrinking. That was a movie. It was many years ago. A movie it was many years ago. I think it was in black and white, wasn't it?
Speaker 2no no it was with, uh, lily tomlin. It's like a 70s. I don't even know who that is.
Speaker 1Wow, you need to get out more no, I just don't really pay attention to movies. I don't think I logged them for some reason oh, I do.
Speaker 2Movies are such an incredible, awesome way to just get lost out of reality, yeah. For me, it's a very, very big tool of distraction. When I'm needing a distraction, I can just get lost in the movie and become the characters I do too.
Speaker 1I do too a little, but I mean it's like I don't retain it though. I can get lost in the movie and pretend I'm bruce lee and kung fu or something, but when it comes at the end of the movie I really you know, I've heard you and one of our colleagues have movie trivia language and can quote lines from movies and I I'm like, yeah, I'm lost, I have no clue.
Speaker 2Yeah, especially if it's one that really resonated with me and brought through information that I was seeking, waiting for and it had like a download or a message in it for me, then it sticks.
Speaker 1Yeah, so you use movies to kind of fantasize and get through tough human parts of your life.
Speaker 2I mean I use movies for a lot of things.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2They're like any other means of communication.
Speaker 1That's kind of cool.
Speaker 2When you're asked for information on a topic that can be a source of higher self information. You lied to me on a topic that can be a source of higher self information. You'll be inspired to watch a movie and it will tell a story that puts the pieces together in exactly the perfect way to where you have a better understanding you know, you told me a fib I did oh Uh-huh, oh no, I'm so sorry, I asked you before the podcast if you had any subject ideas, and it's one of the ones I was debating on is exactly this.
Speaker 1What were you talking about?
Speaker 2I didn't have anything at the time.
Speaker 1I was getting nothing, so being open to your environmental tools.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 1And that's where it's kind of funny. You brought that right into the.
Speaker 2I didn't do it.
Speaker 1Yeah, the guidance from above.
Speaker 2I just got on the pony and began to ride.
Speaker 1You ride. You just referenced a genuine song.
Speaker 2Oh see, I'm not big on the songs. Yeah, see, that's where I can go I can't call the names of songs and I can't call the person that sung them or wrote them. But I, if I hear the tune, I can usually sing the song. But I'm not the same way with songs as I am movies my pony.
Speaker 1Uh-huh, my pony Wow.
Speaker 2I can't sometimes with you, I just can't.
Speaker 1Ride it, my pony, yeah.
Speaker 2And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1The life she lives life, I live hey we're keeping it light up in here, though we're keeping it like never a dull moment so one of my topics today I had two I was debating on and you kind of brought it into the subject matter and that is identifying your environmental tools and being open to them to to see the benefit of everything around you and to help you identify and navigate your journey, because you know, like we will, randomly, will be somewhere and just it's the oddest thing. I swear to god, y'all should hang out with us when we go. When we go somewhere, it doesn't matter anywhere some point within where we're going, some random person is this, approaches us and says some random thing or some random thing happens yeah, or some random thing happens.
Speaker 1It's like crazy, it's like everywhere we go, like when we were christmas shopping it's very magical. The guy just walked up to us out of nowhere at the guitar center park and I was like, well, I don't even remember what he said. I think he asked us, so y'all, it was like random, I can't even remember now.
Speaker 2So do you stare at the sun? It's like things like that.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's like It'll be just like off-the-wall questions or comments. Did you notice that star or something random?
Speaker 2And it'll be middle of the day. Yeah, it's crazy, but then later what happens is it'll marinate and then it'll make sense.
Speaker 1Yeah, it does, or it gets revealed by something else happening, right Like that. What was it? The billboard when you were thinking about doing something and then we'd drive by. That guy said something about traveling in the parking lot hey, do you all ever travel, or something. And you were talking about doing something and then we passed that billboard it was the escape room cruise thing. And then we passed that billboard going down the highway after that guy just said something about it Like 30 minutes earlier, we were like what was that about?
Speaker 2Following the breadcrumbs. Yeah, just following the breadcrumbs of being open to them yeah, and and viewing it from a perspective of curiosity and excitement and interest and fun, because it is fun when it unfolds like that. That's part of the journey.
Speaker 1I agree the the crazy or actually I think for me is. I went through my life navigating it pre-Dr Jenny, in a sense of using my intuition, didn't really pay much attention to the environmental tools that I remember. And now here we are, post-dr Jenny, I pay a lot more attention to those things to those things.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, it's a very, very good idea because your reality is set up, you create your reality. Yeah, we keep harping on that and you create your reality to give you those.
Speaker 1Clues.
Speaker 2Clues all along the way, and if you'll'll view it that way, it makes it a whole lot more fun yes, life gets easier even even the parts that seem challenging or difficult, there's still clues, and so it's like a big it's life is like one big clue game you know the funny part? This happened to me on monday and the information is always coming to you. It's always available.
Speaker 2It's whether or not your definitions are allowing you to be open and receive the information in all of the different ways out there and kind of looking at the definitions and defining, am I being insistent that the information must come in a specific way and that in and of itself keeps you from being able to hear the information because it didn't look like this or that or whatever.
Speaker 1You know, this happened to me on Monday. This exact what happened.
Speaker 2The lights just flickered. Oh, that happened to me on Monday. This exact what happened the lights just flickered.
Speaker 1Oh, that happened to me on Monday.
Speaker 2They're here, what movie is that from Poltergeist? Oh see, you're good.
Speaker 1I mean, who doesn't remember that movie? I mean, I remember one scene of that movie actually, and that's when she's touching the but the it being fuzzy, and she's saying there you that's the only thing. I remember that movie because that was a traumatic event in my life, because back in the day the tvs did that all the time oh, so it scared you it did.
Speaker 2It created a little bit of a fear because I was young when that movie came out.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah so on monday I'm you know, we helped seniors for a living I'm just just going to put it that way and I had gotten a call from a guy that was wanting our assistance but he couldn't be available to come and see us and I was sitting there debating on.
Speaker 2Well, do I? You mean come and see us in the office? Yeah, come to the office and see us.
Speaker 1I see, and not until like next week or something, and he didn't want to miss out on the opportunity. And I was sitting there debating, because I know he lived like an hour and a half away and I was like I don't know what to do. Do I go do this? Or, you know, because I was in that spot of trusting the journey at that point because I had said, hey, bring me some, you know, bring me some candidates in and to you. And I was sitting there and I walked out of the office and the dangdest thing happened. This caregiver walked in with a suitcase, walking in the front door and on the side of it was a bumper sticker that said go get them.
Speaker 2Oh yeah.
Speaker 1And so I was like okay. So I was like okay, so that's the kind of environmental tools that I'm talking about. Most people would never even notice that, but because I'm open to my environmental tools, since you and I have gotten together, you've taught me to be more keen to our environment.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1When she walked by, I was like thank you. And she was like okay, okay, give me that weird look it was the craziest dang thing. She walks off saying freaking weird, no, weirdo, what's this guy doing? And so I was like, okay, I'll do it. So I get on the phone, I call him, I said I'm gonna come to you. Oh, you would do that. And I was like, yeah, and he said, oh, that'd be great, I'll be here by noon, because he had doctor's appointments all morning all week and and so I did it and it was a really smooth, easy journey.
Speaker 1It was nothing hard about any of it. Yeah, um, I got there and back in time for what I wanted to accomplish. Yeah, and that environmental tool is what brought up the subject for this week. For me was it's because we do it all the time right, yeah, now it's just kind of second nature for it wasn't for me.
Speaker 1It was a struggle at first. You know you. You know like our truck driving journey. You know there was a truck that passed us on the road twice and and you signed us up for it because you paid attention to your environmental tools and it took us from point a to point b. Yeah, but in in, I wasn't very keen to that.
Speaker 2I was like I'm not doing that, nope I mean, sometimes we still have moments yeah, we have moments where we're both like being drugged through the dust with our heels dug in dug, dug in, yeah, being drugged by cops I would be curious. My question would be in that experience on Monday, when you talk about it, you have a little bit of an energy about how you weren't really wanting to do it.
Speaker 1Humanly right.
Speaker 2And I'd be curious to know what that was about.
Speaker 1Well, spiritually, the day before, I had said something to you about, hey, bring me somebody in, I want to keep our goal, and so I was spiritually waiting for the clues, and so I was debating on okay, am I forcing this? Humanly, thinking about this, yeah.
Speaker 1Or is it me not trusting the journey? Is it me not trusting the higher self Right or whatever that is? And so I literally had, because I really didn't want to drive three hours. To be honest with you, I didn't want to drive three hours, but but that was a human thought, and so I was doubting the whole scenario. And then it came to my mind. I was like, hey, just give it back to spirit and we'll see what happens. And 10 seconds later the lady walked in spirit and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2And it wasn't 10 seconds later that that lady walked in. Well, but what? What definition do you have around driving three hours somewhere or driving three hours there? Why did that get defined as something not fun or not interesting, or well, I don't, I don't enjoy not being around you oh, I see and it was going to take me away from that.
Speaker 1You know, three hours of time. Even if we don't get to spend a lot of time together during the day, I still know that if I need a little energy or a little something to talk about, or whatever, I can go see you.
Speaker 2Right, I see.
Speaker 1There's many times I just go in your office and sit at the table, just to sit there in your energy.
Speaker 2I see.
Speaker 1And I was being human in it completely. I think it was more of a human thing because he had called me. I didn't call him. He had called me yeah. And I was surprised by the call yeah, and because I had just told you that before Okay, send me the, because I really expected him the day before to act and he didn't. And so normally, when you expect them to act and they don't, yeah, I've learned over the years that they never do. And then then I was completely surprised after you obviously energetically intervened into this and spiritually intervened for me and and I was just humanly interfacing with it is what it was.
Speaker 2I was. I was like I didn't want to drive three hours.
Speaker 1I didn't want to do it and it ended up being an okay journey. It was there fast, quick and efficient there, done back and met all my goals.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's how we can tell on our specific journey when we're doing something that is in alignment with our natural state of being, or in alignment with divine flow, or we're doing Exactly what we created to do. That's how it feels. I know there'll be a question of well, how do you know? How do you know?
Changing Perspectives and Self-Perception
Speaker 2Generally, for us, we know, because it seems to be a very easy sequence of events that take place for us, when we're staying in that high vibrational state, to align with that that we actually asked for, with no insistence on how it has to look, it happens very quickly and it happens very easily. And so, in opposition to that, if we have something going on and it seems kind of like it's a bit of a struggle or it's just not quite falling into place like it should, that's an indicator that we use in our own personal bubble that, okay, hey, we need to stop, take a step back. We need to relook at what are our beliefs around this, what do we believe to be true? What is our definitions, and just kind of reevaluate the whole process. Are we supposed to be doing it right now? Are we supposed to be doing it at all? If we are, then what beliefs and definitions do we have in place that are keeping it from being a very in flow and divine, magical sort of feeling?
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And that's how we work our process.
Speaker 1I agree. You know it was. It's about being open minded either direction and just being aware of your surroundings, in your environment and staying in tune and in touch with your intentions.
Speaker 2I think you said it right too, that not having that absolute staunch insistence that it has to look a certain way or that it has to happen at all yeah, that it has to happen at all being okay. That if you imagine or daydream or concoct in your head something that you find interesting or joyful or exciting and it doesn't happen, or it doesn't happen the way you created it in your thinking mind, your human thinking mind, it doesn't mean that it's not supposed to happen. It doesn't mean that it's not going to happen. It may mean that you are not open to letting it happen the way that would best fit you, because you're insisting that it must happen exactly the way you visioned it in your daydream or whatever, and that sometimes will prevent it or even slow it down from coming into existence, because higher self's job is to take the general concept and make it exactly what it's supposed to be for you on a higher level.
Speaker 1Yes agreed.
Speaker 2But if you've got beliefs and definitions kind of in the way, and higher self knows that you won't experience this person, place or thing in the way that you wanted to experience it, it'll hold off until you've had an opportunity to pay attention to your beliefs, your definitions and clean things up a little bit so that you can experience it in that just really miraculous way. And so it doesn't mean it won't happen. It just means, maybe, that it's not going to happen right now because if it were to happen right now it would be a very low key experience or anticlimactic experience, and higher self knows that.
Speaker 1Yes, I totally agree. I think the part for me when I was first learning, because you used to tell me well, pay attention, you know, and you used to tell me that back when we first got together and so I really started paying attention, and I think the struggle for me was realizing that what it's, whatever you look at or you see, or you hear or uh it's, it can be anything.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1It can be anything uh, a dog barking that makes you look a certain way, and behind it's a truck that's driving by. Behind it's a truck that's driving by, and for me it was like being able to relax with what I identify. What part of what I just saw or heard or whatever experienced, identifies with me, Because there's been times that, like on the way back from this journey on Monday, I get on the highway and there's a billboard that says do it my way, not your way, God, and so it was part of that that really resonated with me, and there's a part of it that's not so tell us the difference.
Speaker 2The difference, so the listeners can know what part of that statement resonated with you and what it means I would replace the higher, the god, with higher self oh, right, yeah do it my way, not your way, higher self you know yeah and like a quote from higher self, and so it.
Speaker 1that's what would change for me in that. But it was like parts of things can be there, like you have a random person come up to you and approach you in the street and when you've been, I don't know, when you're unhappy about something, and then they come over, come by and tell you a joke, just randomly. Because, if you open your energy up and be receptive to it, that kind of thing really starts happening a lot.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1And so it's a and it helps you really navigate it and identify the questions that you have going on yeah, yeah, I'll share personal things that are going on in my bubble that are very similar to that.
Speaker 2I'm on this um skin cancer journey and I've had to shave parts of my hair so I can do treatment to the spots, and the treatment is not a fast treatment. For whatever reason I set that up, I obviously have a belief or definition in place that says I can't put the cream on and overnight it's all healed. So it's taking some time and what I found is that visually, I don't like having the bandages on my face and on my ear. I didn't. I actually cried when I shaved my head, like I'm like great, now I look like some GI Jane nonsense, and it really kind of brought up some physical experiences about my perception of how I look. And you know I'm having some swelling in my face and just different things like that.
Speaker 2I haven't really been able to put my makeup on, which I love to play in, as you well know, have this weird hairdo that's challenging at best to navigate and you know me, my life is like a big theatrical stage. I'm always dressing up and doing weird things to my hair and my makeup and becoming whatever character I want to become, and this is kind of, from my perspective, impeded the ability to do that. From my viewpoint, time I'm having kind of one of those low vibrational days where I've got you know extra baggy eyes or puffy face I will have I can't even put a number to it. It feels like hundreds of people will come up and say, oh my God, you're so cute today. I love the ensemble you've put together and literally I'm like feeling like I just put on some frumpy ass clothes that mean nothing because my visual perception of myself is not very pleasant that day and my energy vibe about it.
Speaker 2But I'm always reminded by higher self, through other people, that, hey, just remember, we see you differently than you see yourself.
Speaker 2Right, other humans, higher self, and that gives me something to latch on to. That's a higher vibrational frequency to kind of pull me out of the mud, so to speak, and get me through the day. So that's one of the tools that I see in my reality that sometimes helps is that for me, was a reminder that what I was basically doing was looking at myself through a lens that was skewed and telling myself basically a lie that I had created in my own human mind of oh, you're not attractive, you're not cute, you're not pleasant or pleasing to look at. And what I keep being reminded of is there's people that come into my reality that remind me that they can't even see the dressings Like. Just the other day, one of our vendors came up and apologized to me and she was like oh gosh, I'm so sorry, I didn't realize that you had shaved your head because you were having to go through that. I just thought you were doing something interesting with your hair?
Speaker 1Yeah, I heard that.
Speaker 2And she's like I said wow, she was able to pull that off and make it look good.
Speaker 1And I was like what the?
Speaker 2bleep is she talking about? Because to me it looks awful. But it was just a nice reminder that it was Higher Self's way of saying to me hey, you're viewing this through a skewed set of lenses, so you might want to relook at it, because you're telling yourself something that's not accurate and it's causing you to lower your vibrational frequency around this topic.
Speaker 1That's people saying one or two two or three, three or one, one or three, and so what?
Speaker 2that told me is is that the big fat dressing that I have lopped on the back of my head? I'm like to myself. When she said that, I said in my head I was like wow, you can't see the big dressing on the back of my head.
Speaker 1It blends in with your skin really well actually.
Speaker 2And that's what I was reminded of is like it looks to you much different than it does to everybody else. And you can't hardly even notice it because the tape and stuff that I use is almost the same color as my skin, and so people are not really realizing that I even have anything on there which I didn't realize we see, you know why? Because when I look in the mirror.
Speaker 2All I see is this big frankenstein sutures and body parts being sewn together that don't belong, or or whatever. I see myself sometimes as a monster when I'm really feeling crummy about it, so that's my story.
Speaker 1The reality is is is like you said. The people don't view you like you view you because when you talk to somebody, I guarantee you, if you pay attention, they're either a looking directly into your eyes because you have beautiful eyes, and they don't pay any attention to anything other than your eyes because your eye color you have that unique eye color that stands out and then your big, long eyelashes and it draws people into your eyes, and so they pay no attention to what's going on around them I see and if it's a guy, they probably look at your cleavage well then I need to start sending them a bill.
Speaker 2Yeah right, I know they owe me money yeah, and so it's just a good reminder that sometimes the way you see yourself or the way you see your situation is not always the way that it is exactly, and it's certainly nine times out of 10 is not the way somebody else is seeing it. Listen to the tools and the information coming to you through your reality. It can be helpful reminders of hey, you're not really looking at this in the highest and best way.
Speaker 1You might want to revisit it and soften your perspective around it yeah, and accept the energies of what everybody's saying, because that's good, positive energy coming at you, yeah exactly and accept that you may be telling yourself a mistruth or a lie that's not accurate, and to kind of give yourself a break. I think you're beautiful.
Speaker 2And not criticize, you know, not criticize yourself harshly, so harshly.
Speaker 1I don't care if you have a paper or not. I still think you're beautiful.
Speaker 2You don't care if what.
Speaker 1If you have a paper stating that, I have to say that I thought you said I don't care.
Speaker 2You say that to me all the time.
Speaker 1I say I think you're beautiful. Well, you have a paper saying that. You have to say that. No, I don't have to say that Paper does not say that. I have to say that.
Speaker 2You know, that's just a joke.
Speaker 1I know it is, I was just playing with you, but I think you're beautiful and I think what you're going through so gracefully is is inspiring to me.
Speaker 2Thank you.
Speaker 1Because what you, what you take and embarking upon this journey to get rid of it, I know is for us and not just for you, and so I truly appreciate that and I think it's very inspiring and it makes me want to stand up to challenges in my life and and that's, I don't think you realize how inspiring you are to everybody around you.
Speaker 2I probably don't, honestly.
Speaker 1And because they view you way differently than you view yourself. I view you way differently than you view yourself.
Speaker 2I mean, that's for most people, honestly I agree. I agree Most of the time if you really sit.
Speaker 1Unless you're like me and egotistical. I mean, you know. I mean when God passed out good looks, he gave me the whole bucket.
Speaker 2Yes, he did.
Speaker 1But that's just, you know, identifying, and that's that just falls in the line too, and identifying your environmental clues of what's really going on, and it's it can, it can really open your eyes. And so you know, I think my challenge to the listeners is to stop for a minute and at every single moment when there's something in your that pops into your reality, because this is what I've started doing. Many years ago, when you told me to stop and look around, I, when I give something that pops up that just frustrates me or it causes that bump up against place in your human journey, is a stop per minute and look around, because you're going to have some kind of spiritual clue around you. It's happened to me every time yeah, some sort of indicator of why?
Speaker 2why am I having this experience? Why am I having this emotion about the experience? Yeah, there'll be some sort of indicator somewhere, either a thought that'll pop up in your head, something that'll be on a wall, somebody will say something, a book will stand out at the store. A sign, I mean. It can come in any, literally any form, an apparition that comes at the end of your bed.
Speaker 1But at one time it was a bumper sticker on a car I remember, I don't remember. You was like look at that bumper sticker right, it can come in any form.
Speaker 2And then once you do, once you embrace the fact that it can come in any form and you open yourself up to allow that, then you can kind of play with it.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Like I've mentioned this in other podcasts that my higher self is there and I just need to kind of feel that warm embrace or that comfortable feeling when I'm going through what I perceive to be a little bit of a challenging moment or something that's a little confusing. I've put the intention out there that whenever I'm feeling that way and I need that extra little hi, I'm here. I love you so much.
Speaker 1I will Hello. Hello, it's higher self coming to talk to you.
Feathered Trails and Subliminal Messages
Speaker 2I've asked to have feathers appear along my journey, and though it's fun to play with or you know, when a belief has cleared or been fully rewritten, I'll hear a bell, and that's because I've asked for those indicators to be put in place, just to kind of play with it, and so Can I tell the bike story? Yeah, of course it's a fun story it was we were.
Speaker 1I don't remember where we were going, but we were on the motorcycle and we were going through the Ozark Mountains down south towards Little Rock. For some reason. I don't even remember the whole, what the purpose was, that we were going somewhere.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 1But we were going and she was like she didn't want to go, she's like we were going to somewhere.
Speaker 2Yeah, I know we had a destination. I humanly didn't want to go. She didn't want to go.
Speaker 1And the whole time she's like turn around, I don't want to go, go back, drop me off. Da, da, da, da, da da. And then we turn, we stop at this stop sign, I make a right and I just keep on riding because I know that we're supposed to go.
Speaker 2Yeah, even us. You know, sometimes I drag him kicking and screaming, sometimes he drags me kicking and screaming. That's just what we do.
Speaker 1We're human too. And so we turned right at the stop sign and we go probably about a mile down the road and over the top of this little hill and there had to be 25 chickens worth of feathers right in the middle of the road to where, when we went through them on the motorcycle, they all like poofed up, like up into the air all over the side of the road shoulder. They were everywhere for a good mile was just laugh, yeah honestly.
Speaker 1That's all we both you laugh so much you started crying it was just like oh my gosh, okay, fine it was so funny and I think that's you know what. But the rest of the story was the whole rest of the journey.
Speaker 2Yeah, along the shoulder we kept having this shit ton of feathers, just all along the way, yeah, everywhere. And what ended up happening? Is we finally caught up to?
Speaker 1It was a chicken trailer.
Speaker 2This chicken trailer that we had been following all this time, but we were far enough behind him. We didn't know that it was a chicken trailer. We just saw the.
Speaker 1And we get to the stoplight and he waves at us.
Speaker 2Huge amounts of feathers.
Speaker 1It's almost like he knew he was on our journey with us. It was because we get to a stoplight in the town and I look up at him and he just waves.
Speaker 2Right, he's like okay, I did my part. I did my part in your play.
Speaker 1I completed my script.
Speaker 2It was. It was a pretty funny, it was very funny, I think.
Speaker 1wasn't that the watermelon thing when we went to sign up for the watermelon?
Speaker 2thing I don't remember. Honestly, I don't remember. I just remember the experience of more feathers than I could even possibly imagine.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Because I was fighting and kicking and screaming and I didn't want to go.
Speaker 1You know, I was having this environmental talk with one of our employees on Monday and we were talking and he had said something about his ex or something else and his uh how he went to his went to a birthday party or something and his ex and her new husband were fighting the whole time and uh, he said at one point I I thought about getting getting up and getting involved in it. And then I looked over at Cross and the guys one of the people at the party or wherever they were had a shirt on that said be patient and it had that smiley face like the one on Forrest Gump.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, the traditional yellow smiley face.
Speaker 1The yellow smiley face. But it said be patient, yeah. And so he said. He looked at it and he was like yeah, okay, I'm not gonna do anything, it's right because I'm not, I'm not gonna do this little subliminal message from higher self, right? And he said so he just said and enjoyed the show and ate popcorn while they argued. And at the end of it, uh, she said why didn't you help me? And he said you divorced me. So he paid attention to the environmental clues of what was going on around him and not, and did the right thing and didn't get involved yeah but uh, and that's where you're having that conversation.
Speaker 1he's like you know, you're right, I probably should pay more attention to that and it was. It was. It's kind of an eye-opening experience. It really is good, because when I came out of the office that morning and it was kind of debating on what to do and that lady walks by with that bumper sticker, it was that moment of okay, thank you, higher self. You know, it's the identifying and being open-minded to it.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's the identifying and being open-minded to it.
Speaker 2Yeah, because the way the mechanism works is that whenever you set an intention or you have a desire, it's automatically created Higher self takes that and creates it and it's there waiting for you to align with the vibrational frequency of it, the information that you're requesting. It feels like sometimes it's not coming through. It is there, it's available, just like if you were to go to a bookstore and buy a book or whatever. The problem is that if you've got an insistent or belief or definition that it has to look a certain way, or it's not spiritual information or it's not the correct information. That is what will block your vibrational frequency from flicker of the lights. Yeah, lining up with it and being able to receive the information in whatever form or fashion it comes. I think, unfortunately, back in the day when the spiritual community began to evolve, there was this underlying notion that information had to come to you via meditation. Via meditation or some deep gamma level of sit and thought, or it wasn't valid information.
Embracing the Journey Through Environmental Clues
Speaker 1It was incorrect. It wasn't accurate. That's way. Two-dimensional thinking. Or you had to be eating a proper raw juiced diet no meat, no dairy no live products.
Speaker 2Because that would decrease your vibration and there was a lot of rules and stuff that went along with it.
Speaker 1You had to go barefoot and hug trees.
Speaker 2And the spiritual community has evolved and a lot of those things don't, don't exist and don't apply.
Speaker 2I think back then there was some truth, obviously too because it was the beginning stages of beginning to listen to the frequency and learning about it, and those techniques were what worked for. Yeah, the next best thing, whether you eat meat on a daily basis and love meat, or whether you don't, or whether you sit in meditation to get the information, or you just flutter through your day like a fairy and pick up the breadcrumbs and it comes to you in whatever colorful way that is intriguing to you well, I think that the evolution of it all was environmental clues, like we have now got to a point to where we all realize that we're not going to affect anybody's journey unless they allow us to including animals, including buildings, including cars, including whatever right and so you know, back then they thought oh, you can't eat meat, that's a live living being, and you're just going to lower your and, ultimately, where we would never consume that creature or that energetic being, because it's still energetic being, unless it was in their journey for us to do that- that's
Speaker 1right, and so it is a different form of thought and back in the day that was a really two dimensional thinking. You know it has to be this way. It's very staunch, right, and now we're into this more 5D thinking, to where we're open minded and we're seeing more 360.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Now we just got to see 360 and 360 degrees, right, and that's where you know you get even farther and deeper in, and I think those environmental clues will show us that.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah will show us that, yeah, yeah. I mean, the rabbit hole concept of it is is that every single thing has energy and it has a journey. Even the things that we say are inanimate objects.
Speaker 2They are still energy and energy has a consciousness and it has a purpose, and you put it into your reality for some reason yes, I agree and even if you don't know what that reason is at that moment, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're doing something incorrectly or you're not doing something in the right way. Right, it just means that you're not. It means either a the information is not necessary yeah at this time necessary at all, or it's not time for you to explore that part of it. That's not where you're supposed to be focusing on, in other words yeah you know, like sitting here.
Speaker 2We've created this room and there's a printer and I can see a computer and I can see, and I could get myself jammed up of. Oh my god, why did I create this reality for this computer to be be sitting here? Yeah I could go down that direction, but what does it matter, right? So, in this particular situation, I know that in order for me to just a, what do you call them?
Speaker 1You mean like the, what do they call them? Yeah, a prop, a prop, yeah a prop.
Speaker 2It's just a prop to make it feel more real and more authentic.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Or like my journey that I'm currently going through with the cancer on my skin thing. Why am I creating this to be a painful thing? It doesn't have to be. I don't know the answer and I'm not aligned with the answer right this minute, but it doesn't mean that I go into a place of oh oh my God, oh my God, I'm doing something wrong.
Speaker 1Like panic or go into this big dump, because that used to be.
Speaker 2that's right yeah, oh my god, I'm doing something wrong. It doesn't look.
Speaker 1It doesn't look right I'm being attacked, I'm, I'm, I'm paying for my sins, or come on karma or karma, yeah, this must be because I I didn't listen, or something you know, it's, it's.
Speaker 2Getting to that place where I okay. So I've created this learning experience where there's some discomfort that I'm physically experiencing and it's okay. That's what I mean when I say embracing the situation at hand. I know that when I go do my dressing changes, there's some pain associated with that. I don't know why yet, I may never know why, and that's okay too. But embracing the fact that that is just part of the experience that I've designed for my growth and evolution, and focusing on the fact that it is what it is and it doesn't mean that it's right or that it's wrong Right, just not getting wrapped up in the negativity of having to experience the discomfort in it.
Speaker 2Embracing the being Embracing the fact that it just is what it is right now, and even if I'm not getting information right this minute from my higher self, I either am not in alignment with that information or it's not for me to know right now so that I can have a true, authentic experience. Like I don't know, there could be be many, many reasons and possibilities that they can't see yet or may never see and being okay with that either way, in any direction maybe you're not supposed to see it right.
Speaker 1I may never know why I associated pain with it being who you are, where you are, and just accepting it and it just is what it is it just is what it is and finding you know when I go to do dressing change.
Speaker 2I know there's going to be discomfort, but I don't focus in on the discomfort, I find something else.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And so some days it may be that I listen to soothing music while I'm doing it, Bashar, I may turn on. Yeah, I like to listen to Bashar talk. I may turn on. Yeah, I like to listen to Bashar talk. I may turn on a Disney movie. I like watching the Disney stuff whenever I'm not quite feeling good or whatever that raises my frequency. Like the fantasy movies, yeah, the fantasy animated movies, yeah, like the Pirate Fairy or Tinkerbell or Dr, Dolittle.
Speaker 1What's the one with the Marvels that we wouldn't saw in theater?
Speaker 2too Inside Out.
Speaker 1Inside Out, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Any of those. I love Disney movies. They are a good way for me to escape.
Speaker 1And get you back to your childlike thought. Yeah, yeah, love it.
Speaker 2So I mean, I just find whatever tool works for me that day and it's not the same tool.
Speaker 1Yeah, it can be different.
Speaker 2Sometimes it's different every single day and I'll turn something on and it's not doing it for me and I'll change to a different tool. That's what it's all about. You have to explore and sometimes you constantly have to explore, Depending on how challenging you're seeing the part of that journey to be.
Speaker 2You just explore and allow that to be okay yeah and not be trapped in that mindset of okay, these are the tools I set up in my bag and it has. One of these tools has to work, and it has to work every single time or I'm doing something wrong. Yeah, those tools will change as you grow and evolve. You're a different person billions of times a second, literally, because you're popping from one parallel reality to the next. Love it. So there you have it.
Speaker 1I feel pretty complete.
Speaker 2Already.
Speaker 1I do feel complete Already. What do you mean already?
Speaker 2I feel like we've only been talking for like 10 minutes.
Speaker 1No it's been almost an hour.
Speaker 2Wow, went by quick.
Speaker 1Yep, I mean I feel pretty complete about it. I just wanted to get the point across to opening your eyes and being open to your surroundings in any way to help guide you, navigate your journey, because your emotional response system is gonna is gonna identify the things that are wrong or right. If you see something and it feels good, it's probably what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1Right yeah, and we had another one of our employees on Monday tell me I was like, how'd your weekend go? I didn't really do nothing, I just laid on the couch and watched TV all day and I kind of felt pointless and useless and unproductive. I'm like, okay, so laying on the TV and letting your body relax and being where you are and who you are in your environment while you mindlessly watch TV is not a productive rest.
Speaker 2Enjoyable thing. Enjoyable thing, I would look at my definitions. Right, that's what I told him. Because somewhere along that journey, that person has been taught to define that as some negative way and so therefore, therefore, not allowing themselves to find joy in just being just accepting your reality, where you are just vegging out and and this and just completely be open.
Speaker 1But I was like, what movies did you watch? And they were like I don't even really remember. The only part I remember is, um, somebody was driving a car somewhere, oh, so they were on a journey of their own and it kind of like you could see the ding. Oh, you know, you could. You could see the light bulb go off on top of their head right right and like sometimes it's okay just to be.
Speaker 1There's been many times that jenny and I just we go home and we don't get out of it. We get up and eat, we get back in bed. We get up and eat, we get back in bed. We get up and eat, we get back.
Speaker 2It's okay, because that's the most exciting and joyful thing that we have right then that we want to do.
Speaker 1Yeah, and then there's been times we own when we get off for the week we were gone until we have to be back to work the next day.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, it's just what it is. It is what it is and it's following your joy. But the thing with following your joy and your excitement is if the definitions behind some of the things that you do, and that's a perfect example of that.
Speaker 1It is, it is.
Speaker 2If laying around is the most joyful thing that you can find, that's lazy.
Speaker 1It's unproductive. You're not doing anything with your life when you sit and do nothing all weekend, because society has taught you you have to be productive seven days a week, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, or you're useless.
Speaker 2You're doing something.
Speaker 1You'll never make more money if you lay on the couch on a Saturday and watch movies all day. Sorry, I'm sorry. I I helped her on a Saturday and watched movies all day. Oh shit, sorry, I'm sorry, I sneezed, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2And man, it just sometimes feels so good to just veg out.
Speaker 1It does I agree.
Speaker 2I love naps. They are one of my favorite hobbies.
Speaker 1Hello, this is society. Society says you must do something every day, every second, every day. Be productive and pay taxes and do all the things that you're supposed to do, otherwise you're.
Speaker 2So I would redefine nothing. Yes, doing nothing. Laying around watching TV doing nothing.
Speaker 1And that's what I said. I'm like you weren't doing nothing, you were relaxing, right, it's still doing something, yeah.
Speaker 2And I would put it back in that joyful, enjoyable category, because it feels good to be able to just do that. I mean.
Speaker 1This is how much society changes, and this was brought up in the network the other day too. Do you remember back when game being a gamer was like you're a loser? Oh my god, you're gonna live in your mom's basement all your life. You know, be an online gamer I don't myself. There's actually commercials about it hang around in that, are you gonna be this person all your life? No, you should get a career and go to a career point business school. You know those kind of things I this is what.
Speaker 2I would put everybody to the challenge of how many times did you go get your chores done just so you could reward yourself with gaming? With gaming, yeah. Or with going to take a nap, or with sitting and watching your favorite TV show as a reward, because it's enjoyable. It's actually a college course now you negotiated with yourself to give yourself permission to do it by getting this list of things that weren't enjoyable done. Now that you're in adulthood and you don't have a parent standing over you, you're feeding you full of that nonsense.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2It's okay to change the definition and give yourself permission to just do that randomly, yeah, even if you haven't done your chores.
Speaker 1Well, I mean, it just shows you how much it's changed because there's military jobs for it. There's college courses on it. They use it for robotics controls. They use it for drone flying. The gaming part of it, the gaming, part of it and hand-eye coordination.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1And there's actually recruiters that recruit gamers for the military.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1Because they need that robotic control.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1And so it's like.
Speaker 2I think just sitting around, even just watching your favorite movie or TV show, can be redefined.
Speaker 1Oh, I totally agree.
Speaker 2I think that if you want to truly have an experience of total rebellion, don't do your chores for a day and just sit and watch TV and check in and see if you can get to a place where you say, golly, gee, this feels really good, this was nice. It was nice. I'm just going to rebel against the whole system.
Speaker 1Hey, mamaw, can you Uber me some food in, because I am not leaving this couch today? Hey, let's get pizza. Remember, we've done that many times. Let's order pizza.
Speaker 2Let's goober in some pizza, because we ain't getting up.
Speaker 1Well, anyway, that's still part of the environmental clues and tuning into them. You know this, understanding that if you are moved, then that TV is calling your name and you just want to lay down and watch TV for the day.
Speaker 2That's an environmental clue. But do it from a place of enjoying it. Enjoy it From a place of, oh, I didn't do anything, life is so boring, I have no purpose. That's a much different energy.
Speaker 1It is.
Speaker 2Than actually doing it and finding enjoyment in it.
Speaker 1Yep I feel really complete now.
Speaker 2Yeah Well, very good.
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